rperez817 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/f-150/2018/2018-ford-f-150-diesel-first-test-review/ 1. 2018 Ford F-150 XL 4×2 Power Stroke (SuperCab): 0-60 in 7.1 seconds, Real World fuel economy of 22.9 MPG city, 34.3 highway, 27.0 mpg combined 2. 2018 Ford F-150 Platinum 4×4 Power Stroke (SuperCrew): 0-60 in 7.8 seconds, Real World fuel economy of 20.9 MPG city, 28.6 highway, 23.8 mpg combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 so...they tested a FLEET truck???? The XLs are ONLY available to owners of valid fleet codes....the rest of us have to buy a Lariat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 so...they tested a FLEET truck???? The XLs are ONLY available to owners of valid fleet codes....the rest of us have to buy a Lariat. If you go on YouTube, Ford had several XL's out for people to test. Most had a load of lumber in the bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itguy09 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I still don't get the Diesel. Here, Diesel is around and often more expensive than Premium. And then you have the additional filters, DEF, and maintenance of a Diesel. You can get the 2.7 which gets respectable fuel economy, uses regular unleaded, and oil changes and maintenance are the same as any other gas vehicle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Because the diesel gets roughly twice the fuel economy of the 2.7 when towing a heavy load. The additional fuel cost and maintenance probably offset the added fuel economy when not towing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) I tend to think it's mostly there so that Ford can point to it and say "Look!!!! Our flagship F150 gets 30 mpg!!!!" The number of F150 buyers that it actually makes compelling financial sense for is exceedingly small. Edited May 22, 2018 by Sevensecondsuv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itguy09 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Because the diesel gets roughly twice the fuel economy of the 2.7 when towing a heavy load. The additional fuel cost and maintenance probably offset the added fuel economy when not towing. While it's not the 2.7, the tow ratings are close enough for a good comparison. I tow a 9900 lb camper with an F150 Ecoboost (with Max Tow) and get 7-13 MPG over the past 7500 miles, heavily dependent on terrain. Putting that camper behind the Diesel I seriously doubt I'll get 14-26 MPG. Edited May 22, 2018 by itguy09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 While it's not the 2.7, the tow ratings are close enough for a good comparison. I tow a 9900 lb camper with an F150 Ecoboost (with Max Tow) and get 7-13 MPG over the past 7500 miles, heavily dependent on terrain. Putting that camper behind the Diesel I seriously doubt I'll get 14-26 MPG. I was referring to the mountain climb torture test which was in the 5-6 mpg range. I agree it won’t be twice as much in regular towing with lighter loads but I assume it will still have a significant advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I tend to think it's mostly there so that Ford can point to it and say "Look!!!! Our flagship F150 gets 30 mpg!!!!" The number of F150 buyers that it actually makes compelling financial sense for is exceedingly small. Which mfr doesn’t do stuff like that for advertising? And since when does a 3.5LEB or even a 5.0 make financial sense? I’m sure the 3.3L or 2.7LEB would suffice for the vast majority of buyers. This is a very small market segment but it should be profitable. Besides - aren’t you the one asking for more choices in Powertrains? Or was it just more powertrains that you like? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) While it's not the 2.7, the tow ratings are close enough for a good comparison. I tow a 9900 lb camper with an F150 Ecoboost (with Max Tow) and get 7-13 MPG over the past 7500 miles, heavily dependent on terrain. Putting that camper behind the Diesel I seriously doubt I'll get 14-26 MPG. I'd be willing to bet it will get 50% better mileage then the gasser towing Edited May 22, 2018 by blwnsmoke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I still don't get the Diesel. Here, Diesel is around and often more expensive than Premium. And then you have the additional filters, DEF, and maintenance of a Diesel. You can get the 2.7 which gets respectable fuel economy, uses regular unleaded, and oil changes and maintenance are the same as any other gas vehicle. Im with you. I dont find a compelling reason to buy a diesel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Which mfr doesnt do stuff like that for advertising? And since when does a 3.5LEB or even a 5.0 make financial sense? Im sure the 3.3L or 2.7LEB would suffice for the vast majority of buyers. This is a very small market segment but it should be profitable. Besides - arent you the one asking for more choices in Powertrains? Or was it just more powertrains that you like? Actually, I'm pretty happy with powertrain choices in F-150 currently. I would like to see the 7x in the raptor and maybe a new lightning, manual transmission option across the board, and the V6s replaced by inline sixes, but those are minor nitpicks. As it is, they've pretty much got something for everyone (so long as you don't mind an automatic too much). I really don't have a problem with the diesel either, even if it's just for marketing purposes. I'm just pointing out that it's very difficult to make the numbers work in a buyer's financial favor. That doesn't really matter though. Lots of guys buy decked out powerstroke superduties to drive to their desk jobs. That's just one of the current status symbols in the US and there's nothing wrong with Ford cashing in on it. That's also pretty much my reasoning for thinking the Excursion should come back for a few years. Edited May 22, 2018 by Sevensecondsuv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve557 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Im with you. I dont find a compelling reason to buy a diesel. Agreed, they definently are hard to justify nowadays. I miss the days of the 7.3 and 5.9 that were good for couple hundred thousand miles without doing much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Actually, I'm pretty happy with powertrain choices in F-150 currently. I would like to see the 7x in the raptor and maybe a new lightning, manual transmission option across the board, and the V6s replaced by inline sixes, but those are minor nitpicks. As it is, they've pretty much got something for everyone (so long as you don't mind an automatic too much). I really don't have a problem with the diesel either, even if it's just for marketing purposes. I'm just pointing out that it's very difficult to make the numbers work in a buyer's financial favor. That doesn't really matter though. Lots of guys buy decked out powerstroke superduties to drive to their desk jobs. That's just one of the current status symbols in the US and there's nothing wrong with Ford cashing in on it. That's also pretty much my reasoning for thinking the Excursion should come back for a few years. . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Agreed, they definently are hard to justify nowadays. I miss the days of the 7.3 and 5.9 that were good for couple hundred thousand miles without doing much. The 6.7 is the new 7.3. It has been a fantastic motor overall and many have well over 200k on them. Edited May 22, 2018 by blwnsmoke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 The 6.7 is the new 7.3. It has been a fantastic motor overall and many have well over 200k on them. Agreed. I was a bit fearful of my 6.4L once I was out of warranty, but I plan to keep this 6.7L well past warranty with no concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 Lots of guys buy decked out powerstroke superduties to drive to their desk jobs. That's just one of the current status symbols in the US and there's nothing wrong with Ford cashing in on it. Well said Sevensecondsuv sir. The Motor Trend article mentions that most pickup truck buyers don't take their trucks off road. Only about half of them tow anything. A lot of people (probably most) that buy pickup trucks get one mainly for commuting and family travel. Because these pickup trucks are status symbols like you said, it's common for these people to buy way more capability than they really need. That's why Motor Trend is correct when they say Ford "knows its audience". The Power Stroke diesel F-150 will appeal to those drive long distances and want fuel economy comparable to a full size or even midsize car. At the same time it has ample towing and hauling capabilities. Ford won't have any problem finding status conscious customers who will snap up these diesel F-150 trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itguy09 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I'd be willing to bet it will get 50% better mileage then the gasser towing I doubt it. Diesels are generally 10-15% more efficient. At WOT the 2.7 is roughly a 5.4 litre engine and the 3.0 is roughly a 6.0. I don't think the difference will be 50%. I was referring to the mountain climb torture test which was in the 5-6 mpg range. I agree it won’t be twice as much in regular towing with lighter loads but I assume it will still have a significant advantage. IMHO there's more to it than TFLT's Eisenhower tests. I'm no expert but I've found that MPG when towing varies wildly depending on terrain. Towing the camper, I can get down to 2 MPG with the EB while towing going up a hill but coming down I can sometimes peg that at 99 MPG as there's no fuel going to the engine. On a straightaway @ 55 I can see 13 with a light foot. I find pickuptrucks.com does a good job with their tests. A nice mixture of hills and flats. It will be interesting to see real world MPGs from these towing large campers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/f-150/2018/2018-ford-f-150-diesel-first-test-review/ 1. 2018 Ford F-150 XL 4×2 Power Stroke (SuperCab): 0-60 in 7.1 seconds, Real World fuel economy of 22.9 MPG city, 34.3 highway, 27.0 mpg combined 2. 2018 Ford F-150 Platinum 4×4 Power Stroke (SuperCrew): 0-60 in 7.8 seconds, Real World fuel economy of 20.9 MPG city, 28.6 highway, 23.8 mpg combined On a side note - the Race Red color is looking a bit less orange. I saw a brand new F-150 the other day in Race Red and it definitely looks more 'red ' than the past few years. I think they updated the formula. I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 On a side note - the Race Red color is looking a bit less orange. I saw a brand new F-150 the other day in Race Red and it definitely looks more 'red ' than the past few years. I think they updated the formula. I like it! I think it depends on the lighting. Some days I see them and they look fine, other days they look orange. I don't think the paint code has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Race red also tends to fade after a few years. Especially out here on the West Coast... the sun beats the crap out of these non-metallic red paints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Th light truck tires on the 4x4 XL Powerstroke rob 3mpg making the 28 mpg figure look ordinary compared to th 2x4 and its superb 34 mpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Th light truck tires on the 4x4 XL Powerstroke rob 3mpg making the 28 mpg figure look ordinary compared to th 2x4 and its superb 34 mpg Get the 18"s instead of the 20" wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Get the 18"s instead of the 20" wheels No, he's referring to the fact that the 4x4 Powerstroke F150 gets 5 less MPG than the 4x2 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 No, he's referring to the fact that the 4x4 Powerstroke F150 gets 5 less MPG than the 4x2 version. No, he said "light truck tires" on the 4x4 rob power compared to the smaller tires on the 4x2. An XL 4x2 comes with 17" wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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