MY93SHO Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 2.7L, where have I heard that before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 348 ft/lbs. For the same CI, quite a bit lower than the Ford 2.7EB at 400 ft/lbs. Better more fuel efficient, otherwise, it's short of Ford... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I bet they sell hundreds. For sure the mouth breathing segment of the bigger engine only crowd wont even give it a second look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 348 ft/lbs. For the same CI, quite a bit lower than the Ford 2.7EB at 400 ft/lbs. Better more fuel efficient, otherwise, it's short of Ford... Well, the Ford is a V6, so even though they are the same CI, it is going to have an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Perhaps this is a stop gap measure for them to say they are offering a fuel efficient alternative while developing a small turbo V6. It seems it will be hard for it to compete with the Ford 2.7 due to the weight of the truck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It'll be interesting to see how GM buyers accept this. On one hand, GM had to do it because F-150 was eating their lunch with 2.7 ecoboost fuel economy numbers. On the other hand, GM buyers really love the V8. It's also interesting that GM did it with 4 cylinders instead of 6. 2.7L is right on the very large end of automotive gasoline 4-cylinders but not unprecedented. Given the torque numbers, it's obvious they're not pushing it as hard as Ford is. I wonder if it's a CGI block? That might explain why Ford can push their's harder.... Finally, the V6 in the F150 will be smoother than the 4 cylinder in the GM. But then the 4 cylinder should be cheaper to build since less moving parts, 1/2 the number of camshafts and cylinder heads, block boring operations is in one plane only, etc. Anyways, it's nice to see more engine options for the GM faithful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) I believe this is there "base" engine according to what they are comparing it to on that chart. I,don't know, there were decent 4.3L sales in 2014 and first part on 2015 around here. Now only the occasional fleet truck come in for a LOF. Who knowS when we sold one to a non-fleet customer. Edited May 18, 2018 by MY93SHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Perhaps this is a stop gap measure for them to say they are offering a fuel efficient alternative while developing a small turbo V6. It seems it will be hard for it to compete with the Ford 2.7 due to the weight of the truck though. I doubt it, they have been working on this as an all new design for many years. I wonder if it shares the same bore & stroke as the 5.3L? I doubt we'll ever see a TTV6 in a GM truck. They will probably go to a small displacement TTV8 before doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Love Press releases - DETROIT — The all-new 2019 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 will be offered with an all-new, technologically advanced 2.7L Turbo that expands the range of available engines and builds upon additional choices to help customers find the Silverado that perfectly suits their needs. Standard on LT and RST trims, the new engine delivers an SAE-certified 310 horsepower and 348 lb-ft of torque, for 22 percent more torque than the 4.3L V-6 it replaces. Developed specifically for truck applications, the new 2.7L Turbo inline four-cylinder engine delivers peak torque from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm. The next-gen Silverado with the 2.7L Turbo delivers 0-60 mph performance in less than seven seconds and weighs 380 pounds less than the current Silverado with the 4.3L V-6. Compared with competitive full-size trucks, the Silverado 2.7L Turbo is expected to deliver comparable payload capability with greater torque than the 3.3L V-6 in the Ford F-150 XLT and the 3.6L V-6 in the Ram 1500 Big Horn. “The new 2.7L Turbo is a technological marvel, with our most advanced valvetrain,” said Tom Sutter, chief engineer for the 2.7L Turbo. “With a broad, flat torque curve and quick throttle response, it punches above its weight, delivering surprising performance and efficiency.” http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2018/may/0518--silverado-turbo.htmlHow much less does the new truck weight with the 4.3L? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The 2.3LEB in the mustang gets the same 310/350 power rating but both are probably far more expensive than the base 3.3LV6 in the F150. I would guess fuel economy is also very very close. The 3.3L and 2.7LEV in the F150 are identical at least on the 2wd models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The 2.3LEB in the mustang gets the same 310/350 power rating but both are probably far more expensive than the base 3.3LV6 in the F150. I would guess fuel economy is also very very close. The 3.3L and 2.7LEV in the F150 are identical at least on the 2wd models. Those numbers are also with 93 octane fuel, (Which hopefully becomes the US standard) While the press release makes no mention of fuel grade for this engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Finally, the V6 in the F150 will be smoother than the 4 cylinder in the GM. But then the 4 cylinder should be cheaper to build since less moving parts, 1/2 the number of camshafts and cylinder heads, block boring operations is in one plane only, etc. Did you see their camshaft setup? It has multiple lobes and a elecro/mechanical mechanism to change which lobe is running the valves. I'm guessing that's a fair amount of parts. Plus their variable valve timing. So it may not be less parts, other than the obvious cylinder count items. I just think about how many F150 5.4's with that cam phaser going out had issues. Aftermarket now makes kits to lock out that phaser that was an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Love Press releases - DETROIT The all-new 2019 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 will be offered with an all-new, technologically advanced 2.7L Turbo that expands the range of available engines and builds upon additional choices to help customers find the Silverado that perfectly suits their needs. Standard on LT and RST trims, the new engine delivers an SAE-certified 310 horsepower and 348 lb-ft of torque, for 22 percent more torque than the 4.3L V-6 it replaces. Developed specifically for truck applications, the new 2.7L Turbo inline four-cylinder engine delivers peak torque from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm. The next-gen Silverado with the 2.7L Turbo delivers 0-60 mph performance in less than seven seconds and weighs 380 pounds less than the current Silverado with the 4.3L V-6. Compared with competitive full-size trucks, the Silverado 2.7L Turbo is expected to deliver comparable payload capability with greater torque than the 3.3L V-6 in the Ford F-150 XLT and the 3.6L V-6 in the Ram 1500 Big Horn. The new 2.7L Turbo is a technological marvel, with our most advanced valvetrain, said Tom Sutter, chief engineer for the 2.7L Turbo. With a broad, flat torque curve and quick throttle response, it punches above its weight, delivering surprising performance and efficiency. http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2018/may/0518--silverado-turbo.html How much less does the new truck weight with the 4.3L? Typical marketing people. Compare it to Ford's naturally aspirated 3.3L instead of Ford's own 2.7L turbo motor that happens to have better numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Typical marketing people. Compare it to Ford's naturally aspirated 3.3L instead of Ford's own 2.7L turbo motor that happens to have better numbers. <never mind I misread the post> Edited May 18, 2018 by akirby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) So, when will GM drop the 2.7L I-4 / 8 speed combo into a Camaro?? Edited May 18, 2018 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It certainly sounds like a compelling alternative to the 3.3L V6 + 6 Speed in the F-Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It certainly sounds like a compelling alternative to the 3.3L V6 + 6 Speed in the F-Series. But not if it gets the same fuel economy as the 2.7LEB F150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 It certainly sounds like a compelling alternative to the 3.3L V6 + 6 Speed in the F-Series. Is there a cost premium over a 3.3L? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Typical marketing people. Compare it to Ford's naturally aspirated 3.3L instead of Ford's own 2.7L turbo motor that happens to have better numbers. That's because it is aimed at competing with the base V6 model from Ford. Ford markets 2.7 EB as an alternative to its 5.0 V8, and of course Chevy's lower end V8 Silverado. Chevy is pitching its 2.7 I4 as an alternative to its own base V6, and thus Ford's 3.3 V6 in a competitive sense. It will be interesting to see what Ford does in response. The 3.3 V6 seems to be doing just ok in sales... not sure if offering a 2.3 EB I4 alternative will change the picture that much. But it should yield even better CAFE. Edit: I think the appropriate response from Ford should be a 2.3 EB paired with 48V hybrid system... that will only add minimal weight but significant upside on MPG. Edited May 18, 2018 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Is there a cost premium over a 3.3L? It's an optional engine (so should imply a cost premium) over GM's base 4.3 V6 but only available in certain trim levels. So hard to have an apples to apples comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 From the Autoblog Article. If you want to pick up a four-cylinder for yourself, it's only offered on LT and RST trims as the standard engine, taking the place of the V6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 So, when will GM drop the 2.7L I-4 / 8 speed combo into a Camaro?? GM is saying it's an all new and designed to be a "truck" engine. I doubt it has any performance advantages over the 2.0T currently in the Camaro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It is interesting how differently each carmaker is evolving their trucks, they all have some very different approaches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 GM is saying it's an all new and designed to be a "truck" engine. I doubt it has any performance advantages over the 2.0T currently in the Camaro. . I would bet in a year, the motor / trans combo will be offered in a rear drive sedan CUV.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) It is interesting how differently each carmaker is evolving their trucks, they all have some very different approaches. Yes sir. Things will really get interesting once electrified powertrains in pickup trucks become common. FCA is already applying 48V mild hybrid technology to 2019 Ram. The holy grail in the next few years will be plug-in hybrid or full electric pickup trucks with overall capability comparable to or better than gasoline or diesel trucks. I wonder if Tesla will be the first to deliver, or will it be one or more of the incumbents (Ford, GM, FCA, Nissan, or Toyota)? Edited May 18, 2018 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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