jpd80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Self-driving cars hitting red lightsApril 22, 2018 @ 12:01 am Shiraz Ahmed http://www.autonews.com/article/20180422/OEM11/180429985/self-driving-cars-federal-state-officials Federal and state officials, once eager advocates of self-driving cars, now are pumping the brakes and demanding greater accountability and information that autos and tech companies may not be willing to provide. Until now, governments have been willing to let private industry lead the way in development of autonomous technology, with light-touch and voluntary guidance from NHTSA and states such as California, Arizona and Michigan. After two high-profile fatalities related to self-driving cars, issues such as system malfunction, the limits of human attention span, and broader legal questions have come to the forefront of public conversation. And lawmakers suddenly are realizing how little they know about the technology. "It was not an issue that I knew a whole a lot about, and I was just bombarded by all sides," said Indiana Republican state Sen. Michael Crider, who oversaw the state's attempt to introduce autonomous regulation, which failed one month ago. "I'm sick of the whole topic." Now they start asking questions.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Im not surprised, government is NEVER proactive, always reactive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlRozzi Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 The thing is, I enjoy driving a car. If I could not drive my car I wouldn't even want to buy or own one. I don't think this has to do with anything other than taking away more of our freedoms. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 The thing is, I enjoy driving a car. If I could not drive my car I wouldn't even want to buy or own one. I don't think this has to do with anything other than taking away more of our freedoms. There are a lot of folks who don’t enjoy driving at all, especially in heavy traffic. Then there are the folks who stand to make a lot of money on it. And finally the safety Nazis who think this is the answer to eliminating traffic accidents and injuries. In the end I think this will only work in commercial/fleet applications (delivery trucks, Uber, mass transit, etc.) and it will just be a driver assist feature on passenger vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlRozzi Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 In the end I think this will only work in commercial/fleet applications (delivery trucks, Uber, mass transit, etc.) and it will just be a driver assist feature on passenger vehicles. I think you are right about that. I express my angst about autonomous cars and then I'll probably live be 95 years old and wish I had one because I'm an inept driver. However for now, I want to be an autonomous human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 The thing is, I enjoy driving a car. If I could not drive my car I wouldn't even want to buy or own one. I don't think this has to do with anything other than taking away more of our freedoms. I enjoy driving too - even when my commute is bad its how I decompress after work. That said, if truly reliable self driving cars were available, especially if driving were still an option I could see times where it would be useful. Meeting at work? Ok car, you drive today so I can review the PowerPoint. We interviewed for (but didnt get) a project that would have had me driving four hours (each way) for meetings every week or two for a couple years. Letting the car do that drive would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jniffen Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 We have all hadPCs, - froze and would do anything or become real slow in operationDVD/Movie Streaming players - wouldn't continue, stopped in the show or hung on a menu selectioncell phones - would ring but you couldn't hear them or they couldn't hear you and other digital equipment that hung, Rebooting, or powering off or even removing AC power for a few minutes finally cleared the issue. Right now a major issue is the self-driving cars will stop when they see snow falling. I just can't see autonomous cars happening. I would like to have a self-driving NASCAR race just once, to see if they would have faster times than the pros. Finally is this a plan so people have to lease cars or use only Uber (lord hope not) and never own cars again. Falling into the master plan I heard someone say in 2002, we'd never own a book, music, movie again, it will all be a monthly service. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) Im not surprised, government is NEVER proactive, always reactive. Yes sir. At the federal level, there is gridlock in Congress with S.1885, AV Start Act. This act would permit companies to test and sell autonomous cars right away, before federal safety regulations are finalized. The bill passed in the House, but is being held up in the Senate because a few senators want major changes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1885 Edited April 22, 2018 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 The issue is the AV companies are not forthcoming on how their system exactly works let alone Nat transport Safety having anything like a validation test to prove AVs can do what manufacturers claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKX1960 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Falling into the master plan I heard someone say in 2002, we'd never own a book, music, movie again, it will all be a monthly service. They nailed this one. The only segment growing oddly enough is vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 They nailed this one. The only segment growing oddly enough is vinyl. I REALLY dont like that one at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Falling into the master plan I heard someone say in 2002, we'd never own a book, music, movie again, it will all be a monthly service. This is a double edge sword-In all seriousness I'm not one to watch a movie multiple times over (some exceptions), but it also helps keep the clutter down to a minim. I still buy hardcover books for the most part-since I've found that digital format (most of the time) isn't well done enough vs the original-but there are exceptions to that rule as of late. You also get more "content", both good and bad that your exposed to-I didn't know about SciFi's The Expanse till I saw it on Amazon Video and fell in love with it- and lucked out that I discovered it about 2 weeks before the second season started on SciFi. The third one just started about 2 1/2 weeks ago. Then again you get winners like Beyond Skyline on Netflix that make you go-the first movie sucked, why did they think it was good idea to make a another?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I too, see little reason to own an autonomous car, I enjoy driving too much. But in 20 years, when I'm truly an old man, and autonomous cars are more mainstream, I may jump at the chance to hop in my autonomous Mustang and have it drive me to Walmart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 There are a lot of folks who don’t enjoy driving at all, especially in heavy traffic. Then there are the folks who stand to make a lot of money on it. And finally the safety Nazis who think this is the answer to eliminating traffic accidents and injuries. In the end I think this will only work in commercial/fleet applications (delivery trucks, Uber, mass transit, etc.) and it will just be a driver assist feature on passenger vehicles. How about for the next 10 years it should just be a driver assist/accident avoidance tool. As I've said-only winners are the lawyers and the Silicon Valley gang-its their agenda. Heard some guy on radio yesterday..."well we are really not sure how this can function with snow banks, covered lane markings blah blah". Duh-this was not in the list of original considerations??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 ...I didn't know about SciFi's The Expanse till I saw it on Amazon Video and fell in love with it- and lucked out that I discovered it about 2 weeks before the second season started on SciFi. The third one just started about 2 1/2 weeks ago... Thanks for the heads up, silvrsvt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Think back to who was pushing AV's, Google and the like who wanted people to stay connected to their systems rather than be stuck in traffic watching the road. The whole thing is self serving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Don't kid yourself - there is a huge part of the population that wants it too - either for perceived safety benefits or just because they hate driving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Autoextremist is right, it won't happen overnight as some tech nerds assume. Some think as soon as it's year 2020, "everyone" will ride in autonomous cars. Not for maybe another generation. How many times will there be updates and "all new software" , will be years in the making, not overnight. Edited April 23, 2018 by 630land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I consider some things to be inevitable ... like: - lawmakers sticking completely ignorant noses where they doN'T belong - tech-types [fore-]seeing only what they want/like - the rich not giving a sheise about the needs of the non-rich & - how many have to die to give up on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Don't kid yourself - there is a huge part of the population that wants it too - either for perceived safety benefits or just because they hate driving. Yes sir. As far back as 2014, more than half of people surveyed by BCG said that they would be willing to buy a partially self-driving car in the future, and 44% a fully self-driving car. If a similar survey was conducted in 2018, I bet the percentages would exceed 2/3 for people willing to buy partially self-driving cars and well over 50% for fully self-driving cars. The potential benefits of self driving cars for safety, convenience, and accessibility are huge. Many are saying widespread deployment of AVs could be the greatest advancement in personal mobility since the motorcar was invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msm859 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 How about for the next 10 years it should just be a driver assist/accident avoidance tool. As I've said-only winners are the lawyers and the Silicon Valley gang-its their agenda. Heard some guy on radio yesterday..."well we are really not sure how this can function with snow banks, covered lane markings blah blah". Duh-this was not in the list of original considerations??? Lawyers will not be the winners here - less accidents will mean less lawsuits. Other "losers" will be body shops and people waiting for organ transplants. Autonomous cars are coming and will result in less accidents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 There will also be new lawsuits whenever this technology fails (as we've already seen happen) and when it does they'll be going after auto mfrs and tech companies with deep pockets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Lawyers will not be the winners here - less accidents will mean less lawsuits. Other "losers" will be body shops and people waiting for organ transplants. Autonomous cars are coming and will result in less accidents. Yes sir. Insurance companies and state/local governments also stand to lose. Lot less money in insurance policy premiums from drivers and from fines for traffic law violations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Yes sir. Insurance companies and state/local governments also stand to lose. Lot less money in insurance policy premiums from drivers and from fines for traffic law violations. Yeah right. There will be a "autonomous vehicle insurance surcharge" required to have one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 PLUS something like "Uninsured-UNmotoristic-UnonyM.O.U.S.E.-Insurance" ...unless I'm over-rating INS.Co greed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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