2019 Edge Titanium Elite

[rmc523]

Looks like a Vignale. Titanium Elite? Why not just make it a Platinum?

 

This is what I thought. Maybe that's coming too.

[akirby]

This is just an appearance package, not a trim level.

[fuzzymoomoo]

 

My point exactly! And it all comes down to priorities. I've cut satellite. We just didn't watch it that much, and it wasn't worth the cost to me (and I don't have Hulu/Netflix/etc.) While I would be lost without my phone, if push came to shove, I would drop it in a heartbeat for a cheapo pay-as-you-go phone for $10/month if I had to.

 

People (and I'm not picking on fuzzy here) today complain about a $450/month car payment, but they have no problem paying $150-200 for a couple phones, $100 for cable, $15 for Apple Music, $15 for NetFlix, $10 for Hulu, and $400 for eating at restaurants. Priorities!

Thats the thing, we try to be smart with our money. We split our phone bill with my in laws (works out to about $150 a month for us, $180 for them since they've got more expensive phones), dont have cable but do have Hulu Netflix and a free trial to directv now because Im a sucker for Olympic hockey, and pay 232 for a lease on a reasonably equipped Focus. We dont eat out much at all, once every few months or so.

 

Using the Explorer example, because we are going to have one, probably 2 more kids, we are likely going to need a third row at some point, its going to cost us half our mortgage for something that has a third row. Thats absurd. Im worried that when the time comes and I do get my Ranger that Im going to have to give something up on my short list of things I want or pay north of what I would feel comfortable paying for it. I get it thats what the market is demanding, that doesnt mean I have to like it.

 

Hopefully when the time comes the Flex is still around because they tend to have better lease deals and she likes it better anyway. Or maybe its on its way out and the fire sale is on.

Edited February 6, 2018 by fuzzymoomoo

[fordmantpw]

Hopefully when the time comes the Flex is still around because they tend to have better lease deals and she likes it better anyway. Or maybe its on its way out and the fire sale is on.

 

We bought our Flex about 3 months before #3 was born, and I can say it is an excellent kid hauler! There is lots of room between the first and second row for car seats, plus if you get the second row buckets, it makes for easy access to the back seat.

 

And buy it, don't lease it. Then you can pay it off and won't have to worry about the payments again for quite some time. Ours is now 9.5 years and 113k miles old.

[akirby]

There is the problem right there. You’re leasing. You are effectively purchasing a new vehicle every 3 years. That is the most expensive option. You’re paying $5K per year in depreciation and after 3 years you have no equity. If you put $5K down on a $35K explorer and kept it for 6 years it would cost you the same thing per year but you’d end up with $15K in equity after 6 years. Then you can either trade it in which lowers the cost of the new vehicle considerably or keep it and drive it with no payments for a few years.

 

Or buy a 3 yr old off lease explorer for $25K, keep it a few years and trade it in on a new one after you get it paid off or at least build up some equity.

 

Or buy out the lease and keep it for 3-4 more years.

 

You don’t have an income problem, you have a spending problem.

[tzach]

You do not have to buy new though. We bought a 2013 Taurus SHO for my wife last year and have a $250 car payment. It's like brand new coming off a lease and fast as hell.

[fuzzymoomoo]

There is the problem right there. Youre leasing. You are effectively purchasing a new vehicle every 3 years. That is the most expensive option. Youre paying $5K per year in depreciation and after 3 years you have no equity. If you put $5K down on a $35K explorer and kept it for 6 years it would cost you the same thing per year but youd end up with $15K in equity after 6 years. Then you can either trade it in which lowers the cost of the new vehicle considerably or keep it and drive it with no payments for a few years.

 

Or buy a 3 yr old off lease explorer for $25K, keep it a few years and trade it in on a new one after you get it paid off or at least build up some equity.

 

Or buy out the lease and keep it for 3-4 more years.

 

You dont have an income problem, you have a spending problem.

No, Im not going down the 6+ year loan road again. The young and much dumber me did that and got burned very badly on it and wound up paying more than what the car would have cost new.

 

The reason we leased the Focus was because we knew we would be having a baby before it was up so if we needed more space (we do) we could get something bigger or keep it depending on what the situation is at the time the lease ends.

[fordmantpw]

You do not have to buy new though. We bought a 2013 Taurus SHO for my wife last year and have a $250 car payment. It's like brand new coming off a lease and fast as hell.

 

Bingo! You want to save some cash, buy used.

 

I drove my 2008 Super Duty that I bought in 2011 for right at 6 years. I sold it for ~11k less than I paid. Over those 6 years, my payments came out to about $165/month. Not bad for a vehicle with a $54k sticker price when new.

[fordmantpw]

No, Im not going down the 6+ year loan road again. The young and much dumber me did that and got burned very badly on it and wound up paying more than what the car would have cost new.

 

The reason we leased the Focus was because we knew we would be having a baby before it was up so if we needed more space (we do) we could get something bigger or keep it depending on what the situation is at the time the lease ends.

 

Yes, but, you could have gotten that Explorer when you got the Focus had you gone used, and you'd have it paid off in 5 years and be free from a payment for a few years.

 

Only buy new if:

• You can afford it
• and you plan to keep your car for many years

or if you have plenty of money and just like new cars.

 

We're not criticizing, just trying to help out!

[fuzzymoomoo]

I promise Im not being difficult intentionally

 

 

Im wary of used cars, Ive been burned twice, and the first one I did my due diligence. It wasnt until a month later major shit started going bad on it. The Focus while its been a great car and I took care of it best I could just simply got worn out with my last job, but that happened way sooner than it should have.

[akirby]

I promise Im not being difficult intentionally

 

 

Im wary of used cars, Ive been burned twice, and the first one I did my due diligence. It wasnt until a month later major shit started going bad on it. The Focus while its been a great car and I took care of it best I could just simply got worn out with my last job, but that happened way sooner than it should have.

 

You can buy CPO used with a good warranty. Still way way cheaper.

 

But you can also buy a new one and finance it for 6 years. Not ideal but it's better than leasing. Or lease it then buy out the lease.

 

The point is to stop buying a new vehicle every 3 years. But a new one every 6-8 years. It's not like they wear out. Especially if you know you'll need the extra space with kids.

[bzcat]

Looks like a Vignale. Titanium Elite? Why not just make it a Platinum?

 

That was my reaction too... the trim level names at Ford is maddening inconsistent.

 

Fiesta/C-Max SE --> Titanium

EcoSport SE --> SES --> Titanium

Focus/Escape SE --> SEL --> Titanium

Fusion SE --> Titanium --> Platinum

Taurus/Flex SE --> SEL --> Limited

Explorer/Expedition XLT --> Limited --> Platinum

F-150 XLT --> Lariat --> King Ranch --> Platinum --> Limited

 

Now there is a new one

Edge SE --> SEL --> Titanium --> Titanium Elite

[fuzzymoomoo]

 

You can buy CPO used with a good warranty. Still way way cheaper.

 

But you can also buy a new one and finance it for 6 years. Not ideal but it's better than leasing. Or lease it then buy out the lease.

 

The point is to stop buying a new vehicle every 3 years. But a new one every 6-8 years. It's not like they wear out. Especially if you know you'll need the extra space with kids.

This is our first lease

[akirby]

 

That was my reaction too... the trim level names at Ford is maddening inconsistent.

 

Fiesta/C-Max SE --> Titanium

EcoSport SE --> SES --> Titanium

Focus/Escape SE --> SEL --> Titanium

Fusion SE --> Titanium --> Platinum

Taurus/Flex SE --> SEL --> Limited

Explorer/Expedition XLT --> Limited --> Platinum

F-150 XLT --> Lariat --> King Ranch --> Platinum --> Limited

 

Now there is a new one

Edge SE --> SEL --> Titanium --> Titanium Elite

 

Except this appears to be an appearance package, not an actual trim level.

 

The point is valid though. It seemed at one time a few years ago that Ford was fixing the inconsistencies with newer models having more consistency, then they just stopped.

 

Personally I'm ok with the added trims as long as they get rid of the stupid sub packages. When you have 3 or 4 trims and each one has 2 or 3 packages PLUS all the stand alone options it's maddening to keep track of and virtually guarantees you won't find what you want in stock with all the options.

 

I know I've said this over and over but on our fully loaded MKX Reserve you had to select individual option packages to get adaptive cruise and all the other technological goodies and options. Reserve should include everything except the higher end stereo, fancy LED headlamps, BAMR and optional wheels. Everything else should be standard, otherwise what's the point of even having a Reserve trim?

[papilgee4evaeva]

Using the Explorer example, because we are going to have one, probably 2 more kids, we are likely going to need a third row at some point, its going to cost us half our mortgage for something that has a third row. Thats absurd. Im worried that when the time comes and I do get my Ranger that Im going to have to give something up on my short list of things I want or pay north of what I would feel comfortable paying for it. I get it thats what the market is demanding, that doesnt mean I have to like it.

 

We're in the same boat. I've been looking at Expeditions for a while now, and a new one today starts a nice $20K more than ten years ago. (Before anyone asks, that number only drops to $13K when adjusted for inflation.)

 

That makes no sense. And that's pretty much the truth across the market, not just within Ford.

[silvrsvt]

Using the Explorer example, because we are going to have one, probably 2 more kids, we are likely going to need a third row at some point, its going to cost us half our mortgage for something that has a third row. Thats absurd. Im worried that when the time comes and I do get my Ranger that Im going to have to give something up on my short list of things I want or pay north of what I would feel comfortable paying for it. I get it thats what the market is demanding, that doesnt mean I have to like it.

 

 

You don't need a big CUV like an Explorer...my sister has a 2010 Escape that she hauled around a three and 5 year old around in for the past 7-8 years (niece just turned 10 and my nephew is 12 in May)..She had an explorer (might have leased it) but got rid of it when gas got stupid expensive. it all boils down to priorities-

 

When I was 5 years old we had a Pontiac Ventura and a then new Ford Fiesta. The Ventura was replaced by a Escort Wagon...all cars much smaller then an Escape and we where able do what we needed to do with our parents without having a minivan or SUV...though they did get Taurus wagon in 1989 when I started high school LOL

[rmc523]

 

Except this appears to be an appearance package, not an actual trim level.

 

The point is valid though. It seemed at one time a few years ago that Ford was fixing the inconsistencies with newer models having more consistency, then they just stopped.

 

Personally I'm ok with the added trims as long as they get rid of the stupid sub packages. When you have 3 or 4 trims and each one has 2 or 3 packages PLUS all the stand alone options it's maddening to keep track of and virtually guarantees you won't find what you want in stock with all the options.

 

I know I've said this over and over but on our fully loaded MKX Reserve you had to select individual option packages to get adaptive cruise and all the other technological goodies and options. Reserve should include everything except the higher end stereo, fancy LED headlamps, BAMR and optional wheels. Everything else should be standard, otherwise what's the point of even having a Reserve trim?

 

I think the LED headlamps should be standard on ALL models, but for sure on Reserve (FWIW, unless they just haven't shown us the base model Nautilus, it seems as though it may have the LEDs standard, and Navigator has them standard too).

 

 

We're in the same boat. I've been looking at Expeditions for a while now, and a new one today starts a nice $20K more than ten years ago. (Before anyone asks, that number only drops to $13K when adjusted for inflation.)

 

That makes no sense. And that's pretty much the truth across the market, not just within Ford.

 

The GM SUVs start at a similar pricepoint and are selling like crazy. I was surprised to see the base price of the Expys though.

[fuzzymoomoo]

 

You don't need a big CUV like an Explorer...my sister has a 2010 Escape that she hauled around a three and 5 year old around in for the past 7-8 years (niece just turned 10 and my nephew is 12 in May)..She had an explorer (might have leased it) but got rid of it when gas got stupid expensive. it all boils down to priorities-

 

When I was 5 years old we had a Pontiac Ventura and a then new Ford Fiesta. The Ventura was replaced by a Escort Wagon...all cars much smaller then an Escape and we where able do what we needed to do with our parents without having a minivan or SUV...though they did get Taurus wagon in 1989 when I started high school LOL

the back seat of a 2010 Escape is bigger than a 2018. Its almost as much of a struggle to get the car seat in there as it is in our Focus and the front seats both push up against the back of it in both the Focus and Escape. With a second one back there (which will force us to not have it centered anymore), I wont be able to have the seat back far enough to be able to drive remotely comfortably, which is why a Fusion or Edge would be perfect until the time comes when we might need a third row. She HATES the Edge so Fusion it is. Edited February 6, 2018 by fuzzymoomoo

[630land]

Henry Ford's vision was Model T and then A, etc. Henry Ford II then brought out the 1965 LTD, "quieter than a Rolls Royce", and changed everything.

[jasonj80]

 

I think the LED headlamps should be standard on ALL models, but for sure on Reserve (FWIW, unless they just haven't shown us the base model Nautilus, it seems as though it may have the LEDs standard, and Navigator has them standard too).

 

LED headlights are standard on all 2019 Edges.

 

With the new lighting and safety rating on the sticker both head and taillights will be updated on new vehicles

Edited February 6, 2018 by jasonj80

[papilgee4evaeva]

 

You don't need a big CUV like an Explorer...my sister has a 2010 Escape that she hauled around a three and 5 year old around in for the past 7-8 years (niece just turned 10 and my nephew is 12 in May)..She had an explorer (might have leased it) but got rid of it when gas got stupid expensive. it all boils down to priorities-

 

When I was 5 years old we had a Pontiac Ventura and a then new Ford Fiesta. The Ventura was replaced by a Escort Wagon...all cars much smaller then an Escape and we where able do what we needed to do with our parents without having a minivan or SUV...though they did get Taurus wagon in 1989 when I started high school LOL

 

You just dated yourself there. But seriously, that shows that you (and your siblings) were riding around without car seats. Guys like Fuzzy and myself can't really do that with our kids 40 years later.

[fordmantpw]

the back seat of a 2010 Escape is bigger than a 2018. Its almost as much of a struggle to get the car seat in there as it is in our Focus and the front seats both push up against the back of it in both the Focus and Escape. With a second one back there (which will force us to not have it centered anymore), I wont be able to have the seat back far enough to be able to drive remotely comfortably, which is why a Fusion or Edge would be perfect until the time comes when we might need a third row. She HATES the Edge so Fusion it is.

 

Yeah, rear-facing car seats take up a TON of room!

 

 

You just dated yourself there. But seriously, that shows that you (and your siblings) were riding around without car seats. Guys like Fuzzy and myself can't really do that with our kids 40 years later.

 

Exactly! So glad we don't have to deal with car seats anymore.

[fuzzymoomoo]

This is where the car seat sits in our Focus. Its not any better in an escape.

Edited February 6, 2018 by fuzzymoomoo

[rmc523]

LED headlights are standard on all 2019 Edges.

 

With the new lighting and safety rating on the sticker both head and taillights will be updated on new vehicles

Yes I know. Even more reason for them to be standard on Nautilus.

[spudz64]

Full LED headlamps are std on the new Nautilus, just checked the Lincoln page and they show them up close and said as much.