silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was checking on the Employee Forum and they said they are going to be down starting March of next year for 4 to 6 weeks for the 2020 Explorer. At that rate the New Explorer/Aviator will most likely be out well before the Bronco-with the Ranger only starting to hit the dealers lots next February. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Is 18 months enough time to develop a prototype, change designs, work bugs out and go to production? As I had stated earlier, they were hand building 2 prototypes starting at the beginning of this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Is 18 months enough time to develop a prototype, change designs, work bugs out and go to production? As I had stated earlier, they were hand building 2 prototypes starting at the beginning of this month. if its just a massaged D4 platform...its possible, but I hope it is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 They started development 18 months ago so it’s possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 They started development 18 months ago so it’s possible. Range/Bronco/etc.... They "showed" them off a year ago and we won't see the Ranger till Feb of next year and if we are lucky, we'll see the Bronco in Feb of 2020 for fucks sake...Ford needs to fix this. It seems like Ford hasn't nailed a launch date in the past 36 months-the Edge was really late and the 2018 Mustang too entirely too long to come out considering it was a refresh-it was shown off last year at the auto show and I didn't see the first ones on the street till December of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was just commenting on whether they could do a new Explorer by March of next year. It is possible because they've already been working on it for awhile - maybe as long as 2-2.5 years. If so then we would be seeing it at LA or Detroit just a few months before launch which is how it should be. If they were just refreshing D4 they wouldn't need all that downtime to retool. I think the premature Ranger/Bronco/Mustang showing were because they had nothing else to show or talk about thanks to Fields. I hope Hackett learned that lesson. It's too late for Ranger or Bronco - that cat was already out of the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was just commenting on whether they could do a new Explorer by March of next year. It is possible because they've already been working on it for awhile - maybe as long as 2-2.5 years. If so then we would be seeing it at LA or Detroit just a few months before launch which is how it should be. If they were just refreshing D4 they wouldn't need all that downtime to retool. I think the premature Ranger/Bronco/Mustang showing were because they had nothing else to show or talk about thanks to Fields. I hope Hackett learned that lesson. It's too late for Ranger or Bronco - that cat was already out of the bag. Yet they did the same thing with "Mach 1" this year....and F-150/Mustang hybrids too for that matter. if its just a massaged D4 platform...its possible, but I hope it is not. It better not be. With the RWD proportions we've seen on the mules, I'd be really surprised if it is. --- Is anyone else's multi-quote function not working all of the sudden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 ?...maybe the Explorer will be based on the Ranger chassis along with the Bronco...hmmm, RWD? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 ?...maybe the Explorer will be based on the Ranger chassis along with the Bronco...hmmm, RWD? I don't think the Explorer will go back to BOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 ?...maybe the Explorer will be based on the Ranger chassis along with the Bronco...hmmm, RWD? That would mean body on frame as well, how far back in time do you to see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 In their presentation to the financial community, Farley said that "HEV will be offered on all mainstream products (in NA)". That would seem to support that the NG Explorer is going onto something other than D4 (CD6?). If it's indeed CD6, then the timeline might illustrate that CD6 product is closer than we think (I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 body on frame doesn't bother me...do the same to the rear suspension they did to the Expedition....head says no ( CD6 ), but why not spread the chassis around.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 They started development 18 months ago so it’s possible. What do you mean development (what stage)? They just started 2 prototypes this month. not sure what they could have been doing 18 months ago. Then there is this from 2 days ago.. which looks like the body of the current gen to fool everyone. http://www.leftlanenews.com/next-gen-ford-explorer-spied-99587.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 What do you mean development (what stage)? They just started 2 prototypes this month. not sure what they could have been doing 18 months ago. if theyre just now building full prototypes that means theyre 18-24 months into development Then there is this from 2 days ago.. which looks like the body of the current gen to fool everyone. http://www.leftlanenews.com/next-gen-ford-explorer-spied-99587.html that has been seen before. Its a platform mule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 What do you mean development (what stage)? They just started 2 prototypes this month. not sure what they could have been doing 18 months ago. Then there is this from 2 days ago.. which looks like the body of the current gen to fool everyone. http://www.leftlanenews.com/next-gen-ford-explorer-spied-99587.html Well you have to do a considerable amount of design and engineering before you can even think about building a prototype. As fuzzy says - at least 18-24 months on the computer and design studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 And I can’t believe people are still questioning whether Explorer is CD6 or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 18 months would work perfect, as fuzzy said platform mules have been out for a while now. These new mules will be what the production models will mostly look like as the hard points are pretty much set. These will be used to put powertrains in to make sure cooling works as well fix the ergonomic issues that crop up in the actual production version. About a year from now they will start producing finished prototypes from the pilot plant and see assembly issues. Then off to Chicago. I do wonder if the Aviator and Explorer will launch at the same time though. One could make an argument you launch the Explorer first to work out any huge quality issues, but you could also launch the Aviator first as they are more likely to be leased and will command a much higher price point. I see the Aviator starting in the Mid to Upper 40's and topping out at $85,000. Where the Explorer will be starting at a similar price point as today. Edited January 19, 2018 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 And I can’t believe people are still questioning whether Explorer is CD6 or not. GRWD rumor for how long now? LOL I hope your right...I have 70-80% feel that it will be RWD, but I'm prepared to be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 GRWD rumor for how long now? LOL I hope your right...I have 70-80% feel that it will be RWD, but I'm prepared to be disappointed. Well, the ones we've seen have had RWD proportions, so unless they pulled a Volvo, it'll be RWD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 In addition to what we’ve seen/heard publicly we also had some insider confirmation. And it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) Maybe the Bronco mule dressed as an Everest wasn't a Bronco mule after all..... Edited January 19, 2018 by twintornados 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Well you have to do a considerable amount of design and engineering before you can even think about building a prototype. As fuzzy says - at least 18-24 months on the computer and design studio. Gotcha, I didn't know how much work was involved in prototypes prior to putting them on the road for 1st stages of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Maybe the Bronco mule dressed as an Everest wasn't a Bronco mule after all..... Yeah. Ive been saying that the whole time.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Yeah. Ive been saying that the whole time.... The only problem is the Explorer would be quite a bit wider then the Everest/Ranger/Bronco Everest is 73.3 Inches and the current Explorer is 76 inches. Wheelbase is roughly the same though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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