fordtech1 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Forbes Now: Fiat Chrysler Beats Ford. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw_bvOhTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Thank you US Government orchestrated bankruptcy "court" Fiat Chrysler is more efficient and less indebted than Ford. And then there is this, which has ZERO bearing on the quality of the company.. Wall Street has also been paying close attention to Fiat Chrysler’s efforts to spin-off its Maserati, Alfa Romeo, and Jeep brands, which could further unleash shareholder value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 This is my favorite quote. "Then theres Fiat Chryslers broad portfolio of fast-selling SUVs and sporty premium marques such as Alfa Romeo and Maseratimonthly sales of Alfa Romeos and Jeeps have roughly doubled since 2014." Nevermind they are/were looking for a partner and that jeep and ram are about the only thing holding up NA sales. I find this article BS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 FCAU stock performance over past 12 months beats all other automakers. Only other one that comes close is TSLA. Main issues for Ford at this point are competitive nature of global automotive industry and Ford's high interest debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) The article mentions Ford's heavy debt load...I hope they're not counting all the consumer debt in Ford Credit. All of that debt is covered by payments from customers and cars as collateral. and I'd be very surprised if FCA has more cash and cash equivalents than Ford. Edited September 18, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 FCAU stock performance over past 12 months beats all other automakers. Only other one that comes close is TSLA. Just to show you that stock price isn't a good indicator of company performance... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 At last count Ford had $28B in cash and only $16B in debt. GM, best I can tell trying to read their convoluted earnings report has $11B in cash and $9.5B in debt. Including Ford Credit in the debt calculation is ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Including Ford Credit in the debt calculation is ridiculous. Yes sir. Ford Credit is self funding. This is advantageous for Ford Motor Co. Many analysts and investors are concerned about the high interest rates on some of Ford & Ford Credit debt securities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Many analysts and investors are concerned about the high interest rates on some of Ford & Ford Credit debt securities. Many analysts and investors are idiots. They have $28B in the bank against $16B debt and they're making $2B/qtr. If the interest rates were a problem they would have paid them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Many analysts and investors are idiots. They have $28B in the bank against $16B debt and they're making $2B/qtr. If the interest rates were a problem they would have paid them off. I also would assume some of those debts are held by members of the Ford family as higher yield fixed return investments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I hate Ford - Ford sucks - Ford should close their doors forever. Here is a chart to explain it all... . Fixed it for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 . Fixed it for you... You fixed nothing sir. Maybe you can get a job at Ford and fix their problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 You fixed nothing sir. Maybe you can get a job at Ford and fix their problems. Ford does have problems but they're not the ones that you keep harping on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 You fixed nothing sir. Maybe you can get a job at Ford and fix their problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 While Ford execs and the Ford family would be concerned about stock prices it would be far less than the critical eye of investors considering Ford stock, most of it having been traded for decades with no actual benefit to Ford Motor The majority of Ford Credit is to customers and is returning revenue of around &500 million a quarter, all indexed against inflation and secured by customers cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Hmnn- Sergio must have been doing some entertaining! I guess after being turned down by everyone on the merger scene perhaps the press can help out??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Their margins are likely to continue to go up now they got rid of cars and only (mostly) sell high-profit SUVs and trucks. Pro: Funny thing about FCA is they basically had to get rid of their cars out of a desperation move and unknowingly were ahead of the curve. Con: They were unknowingly ahead of the curve. They still really have no idea what they are doing. They are woefully unprepared for whatever the future brings. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Their margins are likely to continue to go up now they got rid of cars and only (mostly) sell high-profit SUVs and trucks. Pro: Funny thing about FCA is they basically had to get rid of their cars out of a desperation move and unknowingly were ahead of the curve. Con: They were unknowingly ahead of the curve. They still really have no idea what they are doing. They are woefully unprepared for whatever the future brings. Aka dumb luck They may be "fine" for the next product cycle or so, but if gas spikes back up to $4 gallon they might be in trouble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Aka dumb luck They may be "fine" for the next product cycle or so, but if gas spikes back up to $4 gallon they might will be in trouble. . Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Will gas prices drive people to cars or more efficient CUVs? I drive a fair amount (15-20k/Year) and can't imagine any gas price that would cause me to consider a sedan. Escape over Edge? Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I may help fiat out...lookin hard at a 18 power wagon..i want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Will gas prices drive people to cars or more efficient CUVs? I drive a fair amount (15-20k/Year) and can't imagine any gas price that would cause me to consider a sedan. Escape over Edge? Maybe. The problem is that once you go from 15 MPG to 25 MPG to say 30 MPG, your not going to see a huge saving in gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 The difference between 25 and 30 mpg driving 15K miles per year is only $300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 As we saw in 2007, higher gas prices tend to make people stall off buying new trucks and Utilities while getting rid of the heaviest and worst on fuel economy, I don't think today's models would be as affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 The difference between 25 and 30 mpg driving 15K miles per year is only $300. And if get higher MPG then that, the cost savings keeps getting smaller and smaller. Part of the reason why MPG ratings suck and your better using gallons per 100 mile or K as a measurement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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