fuzzymoomoo Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Local media freaking out about it I find it very amusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Local media freaking out about it I find it very amusing They're shut out because none of the current cars are new or significantly updated which is the main criteria (same as MT). Expy and Navi made the Truck list instead of the utility list (go figure). The only other product that would be eligible is Ecosport and it's not available yet. Will probably be a semifinalist next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Oh I know exactly why, I just love how the local media is making a stink about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Oh I know exactly why, I just love how the local media is making a stink about it. Isn't that the modus operandi of the media? Fake rage/indignation to get viewership/clicks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Isn't that the modus operandi of the media everyone in the real media and on social media? Fake rage/indignation to get viewership/clicks? FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I am going to guess this award will have zero impact on sales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Isn't that the modus operandi of the media? Fake rage/indignation to get viewership/clicks? I would expect that out of the Detroit Free Press, they've gotten really clickbait-y since the election Detnews is usually solid yet they're the ones with the headline on their homepage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Perhaps we need to change the "Big 3" to: Companies formerly known as The Big 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I am going to guess this award will have zero impact on sales. Just like all other awards and media reviews. Ford figured this out years ago and stopped catering to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Perhaps we need to change the "Big 3" to: Companies formerly known as The Big 3 I always say that, driving a FCA product is no more buying American that buying any other car that is owned by a foreign automaker. The "big 3" died the day of the Daimler merger. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 They're shut out because none of the current cars are new or significantly updated which is the main criteria (same as MT). Expy and Navi made the Truck list instead of the utility list (go figure). The only other product that would be eligible is Ecosport and it's not available yet. Will probably be a semifinalist next year. Truck of the Year contenders are Chevy Colorado ZR2, the Expy, and the Navi. That's it. And if the ZR2 wins over either of the other two, it's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Truck of the Year contenders are Chevy Colorado ZR2, the Expy, and the Navi. That's it. And if the ZR2 wins over either of the other two, it's ridiculous. GM is willing to play the game and buy those types of awards. Ford generally is not. There's your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 GM is willing to play the game and buy those types of awards. Ford generally is not. There's your answer. Wrong award. This isn't Motor Trend and this particular award doesn't seem to be purchased. It's voted on by 60 automotive experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Wrong award. This isn't Motor Trend and this particular award doesn't seem to be purchased. It's voted on by 60 automotive wannabe experts. . fixed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I don't think that car awards have the same impact these days, so many more real buyers just go search the web and do their own cross shopping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Who cares...its almost 2018..those mags have little to no relevance any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Isn't that the modus operandi of the media? Fake rage/indignation to get viewership/clicks? Profit-driven media sure, those that focus on calm, rational reporting get declining ratings and a guy in a bad suit decrying them for "dying." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I always say that, driving a FCA product is no more buying American that buying any other car that is owned by a foreign automaker. The "big 3" died the day of the Daimler merger. Yes sir. The three major American automakers now are General Motors, Ford, and Tesla. None of FCA's 2017 and 2018 passenger cars currently in production are assembled in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 I would hardly consider Tesla to be major. Not yet at least. The volume they sell doesn't support that claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 None of FCA's 2017 and 2018 passenger cars currently in production are assembled in the USA. except for almost all the Jeeps, RAM trucks, and the Dodge Durango. But tell me again how they don't build anything in America, it amuses me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 except for almost all the Jeeps, RAM trucks, and the Dodge Durango. But tell me again how they don't build anything in America, it amuses me. Which of those is a passenger car? I don't like his shtick either, but he is right (in that post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) except for almost all the Jeeps, RAM trucks, and the Dodge Durango. But tell me again how they don't build anything in America, it amuses me. But they are exactly the same as almost every Toyota and Nissan that is sold in the United States. They are built here but foreign owned. So driving a Camry is the same thing as driving a Jeep Wrangler. Edited September 17, 2017 by jasonj80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 But they are exactly the same as almost Toyota and Nissan that is sold in the United States. They are built here but foreign owned. So driving a Camry is the same thing as driving a Jeep Wrangler. Thank you sir. In the U.S., FCA and Toyota are both foreign automakers as you mentioned. Just like many other foreign automakers, both offer vehicles designed, engineered, and assembled in the U.S, though in FCA's case none are passenger cars as I mentioned earlier. Interestingly, despite coming from foreign automakers both Camry and Wrangler have among the highest "domestic" parts content (which includes Canadian content, go figure) of any 2017 passenger car or light truck according to AALA, at 75%. https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/2017_aala_percent_06192017.pdf. That's higher than any vehicle from General Motors, Ford, or Tesla. Tesla should get its number above 90% for Model S, Model X, and Model 3 once battery production expands at their Gigafactory 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Thank you sir. In the U.S., FCA and Toyota are both foreign automakers as you mentioned. Just like many other foreign automakers, both offer vehicles designed, engineered, and assembled in the U.S, though in FCA's case none are passenger cars as I mentioned earlier. Interestingly, despite coming from foreign automakers both Camry and Wrangler have among the highest "domestic" parts content (which includes Canadian content, go figure) of any 2017 passenger car or light truck according to AALA, at 75%. https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/2017_aala_percent_06192017.pdf. That's higher than any vehicle from General Motors, Ford, or Tesla. Tesla should get its number above 90% for Model S, Model X, and Model 3 once battery production expands at their Gigafactory 1. While it's great to see a huge production footprint for FCA and Toyota that includes high local parts continent, it's important to not lose sight of where those profits go, out of the country. Edited September 18, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 The profits go to shareholders, and are used to invest in new or upgraded facilities. Right now, the North American market is more important to Toyota (and Honda) than the Japanese market. They are investing plenty of money right here, in the U.S. and Canada. They are also investing money in China and other emerging markets, but so are Ford and GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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