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Updated Ecosport Revealed at Frankfurt 2017 Auto Show


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#61 OFFLINE   92merc

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:39 PM

I'm concerned most American buyers will see these low roof vehicles as not CUV's but as car/wagon.  I think Subaru can get away with it because they've been making something similar for years and only recently got into a full CUV.  Everything else they've had before was a wagon/car.

 

I just don't see a Ford buyer making that jump like the Subaru buyers do.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 05:29 PM

 

Look at the shape of the two. the CX-3 is longer but the rear is sloped like a fastback whie the Ecosport is higher and squarer.

I'm beginning to think that the Ecosport will be different enough to the competition to see some clean air in the showroom...

It's easy to copy what all your competitors are doing, much harder to try a vehicle with different looks and feel,

this could be the vehicle  that sways more than a few Focus buyers to Utilities.

 

I still want to see what Ford has planned in regards to short C utility - that  vehicle type might  really rip into compact car sales.

 

Just what Ford Dealers need... another opportunity for customers to move into CUV's and give up their cars! Hopefully the EcoSport will bring in new conquest customers and not just convert existing Ford customers to switch from their Ford cars. Even so, the EcoSport isn't expected to generate more than 40-50,000 sales the first year. But at least Ford is finally getting into the smaller CUV segment.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 05:36 PM

at 92 Merc

Maybe it's just that, an easy  plan to transition car buyers into utilities without anything more than raised ride height.

A lot of utility buyers will underscore that higher seating position as the main desirable feature of a utility.

 

In places like Europe, the jacked up Fiesta Active might be the best strategy to transition many of those B and C car sales

to  utilities and add far more interest and profit. In North America it probably as you say, a great way for dealers to attract

those car buyers back into the showroom with a "car" that feels different and better to those buyers...

 

ice-capades,

i sure hope the Ecosport brings a new energy to the showroom, not to get too excited here but if Ford supports it

the right way, this could be the big reconnection with lapsed compact car buyers...

 

I want to se what's planned with the small C Utility too - I think that's an even bigger sweet spot than Ecosport.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 08:10 PM

I think this rear shape will appeal to a lot of American buyers over the more sloped hatchback style of other brands.

Sure the boxier style and smallish wheels makes it look dinky but I think a lot of women and young first time buyers

may like the price, style and versatility.

 

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 08:31 PM

 

A-segment CUV: below 4.0 meters/around 160" - e.g. Ford EcoSport, Renault Kwid, Suzuki Ignis

B-segment CUV: roughly 4.2~4.3 meters/around 165~170" - e.g. Mazda CX-3, Honda HR-V, Jeep Renegade, Nissan Kicks, Peugeot 2008

Short C CUV: roughly 4.4~4.5 meters/around 173~177" - e.g. Jeep Compass, Nissan Rogue Sport, Subaru XV, Hyundai Tucson, VW Tiguan (the short European one), Peugeot 3008

Long C CUV: roughly 4.6~4.7 meters/around 180~185" - e.g. Jeep Cherokee, Nissan Rogue, Subaru Forester, VW Tiguan Allspace (the long Chinese one), Peugeot 5008

Good explanation but just a little thing,

Ecosport is B Segment, above 4,000 mm at 4,040 mm (161.3") but only just..

The interior dimensions are also closely aligned to those of other B Utilities even if the length is shorter.

 

On Short C,

If Ford was to jack up the current 104.5" WB Focus hatchback, that would make a short C Ute that's 171.6" long

That might be more of a sweet spot for competing against the likes of slightly smaller B Utes and a way of adding

more sales between Ecosport and new larger Escape (~180")...

 

I keep coming back to this because I see the wider appeal outside of North America where there's a real opportunity

for Ford to add a lot of sales in Europe and Asia with a  ute that's between Ecosport and Escape.

 

It takes the most popular version of European Focus and turns  it into a  CUV, that will play well in UK. Germany, France

and Italy - Ford Europe's largest markets. Perhaps something Ford is making possible by increasing the size of Escape?.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 10:35 PM

I would think the next-gen Escape's wheelbase will increase to between 107/108 inches where the "Short C" will be about 103/4, which is exactly where the first and second generation Escale and Jeep Compass were/are.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:53 PM


It takes the most popular version of European Focus and turns  it into a  CUV, that will play well in UK. Germany, France

and Italy - Ford Europe's largest markets. Perhaps something Ford is making possible by increasing the size of Escape?.

 

I think you will see Focus Active and you will see something else to replace C-Max (perhaps even keeping the C-Max name) in Europe for sure - just like Fiesta Active and EcoSport are both being offered. Outside Europe, I think Ford will go with the C-Max replacement as the small C ute.

 

The Grand C-Max will probably be replaced by 7 seat Kuga/Escape. That is apparently a product that Ford China has asked for and it makes a lot of sense from a global point of view vs. Grand C-Max.


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 02:29 PM

@jpd80, are you seeing many Citroen's small crossover C4 Cactus on the streets?

Apparently Jim Farley is a big fan of this odd looking vehicle. I am hoping Ford doesn't go this design route.

 

Outside of the stupid black cadding on the sides and the faux Cherokee like head lights, I like the styling.


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