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#21 ONLINE   fuzzymoomoo

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:19 AM

 
But Ecosport already existed and is being imported so there would have been very little impact to NA resources.  I'm sure this was all tied up in the bigger plans for model E and new C platform and associated factory implications so I understand the reasons.   I'm just saying they should have planned better.

and that goes back to Mulally. That's one of the few mistakes that he made Fields could have rectified quite easily. Instead he doubled down on it.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:30 AM

 

But Ecosport already existed and is being imported so there would have been very little impact to NA resources.  I'm sure this was all tied up in the bigger plans for model E and new C platform and associated factory implications so I understand the reasons.   I'm just saying they should have planned better.

 

Right, but given the harsh criticism that people here have been giving the Ecosport, short of a new product or completely new design for it...we still be waiting for it.

 

Its lipstick on a pig to most people here...and will prob hang around for another 2-3-4 years before being replaced by something newer or more suited to NA market. 


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:46 AM

The 2017 model we're getting here now is a significant improvement over the older model.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:02 AM

The Honda HR-V didn't arrive quite fully baked in some ways, but people are still buying every one that Honda can build. I doubt that the EcoSport will have any trouble finding sufficient buyers, whatever flaws we think that it has.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:16 PM

The Honda HR-V didn't arrive quite fully baked in some ways, but people are still buying every one that Honda can build. I doubt that the EcoSport will have any trouble finding sufficient buyers, whatever flaws we think that it has.

 

 

Odd thing is I haven't  noticed that many of them on the road...or they are just blending in with the CR-Vs

 

I think the Ecosport might actually sell better than the Fiesta.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:23 PM

 
 
Odd thing is I haven't  noticed that many of them on the road...or they are just blending in with the CR-Vs
 
I think the Ecosport might actually sell better than the Fiesta.


The H-RV does blend in. It isn't a bad looking vehicle but it doesn't stand out.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:00 PM

 

The design and execution is stop gap for sure, but not the size.   There is a market for tiny utes like this one.   There does appear to be a larger crossover on the way that's in between this and the current Escape as the new Escape gets a little bigger.

 

I think you will change your mind about the size when you actually see one in person. It is substantially smaller than other CUVs in similar price range. Mazda CX-3 is nearly a foot longer.

 

This is definitely a stop gap car size wise. I don't see Ford keeping it this small for the next generation. And it will be the case regardless if Ford plans to sell a C-Max sized CUV or not.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:13 PM

I think you will change your mind about the size when you actually see one in person. It is substantially smaller than other CUVs in similar price range. Mazda CX-3 is nearly a foot longer.
 
This is definitely a stop gap car size wise. I don't see Ford keeping it this small for the next generation. And it will be the case regardless if Ford plans to sell a C-Max sized CUV or not.


So it is going to beat the driver and itself to death on normal american pot filled roads?....gotcha..still think the lil booger will sell if priced under $20k

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:51 PM

I think you will change your mind about the size when you actually see one in person. It is substantially smaller than other CUVs in similar price range. Mazda CX-3 is nearly a foot longer.
 
This is definitely a stop gap car size wise. I don't see Ford keeping it this small for the next generation. And it will be the case regardless if Ford plans to sell a C-Max sized CUV or not.


CX-3 is an escape competitor, not ecosport. I thought it was a Trax competitor.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:19 PM

CX-3 is an escape competitor, not ecosport. I thought it was a Trax competitor.

 

Isn't CX-5 Mazda's Escape competitor?  CX-3 is definitely smaller.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:15 PM

Isn't CX-5 Mazda's Escape competitor?  CX-3 is definitely smaller.


No CX-5 is Edge competitor. CX-7 is Explorer competitor with 3 row seating.

There is still a gap between Escape and Ecosport but that will be fixed soon if that's what folks are referring to.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:39 AM

Mazda's CX-3 is based off the sub-compact Mazda 2 and I believe shares a lot of the 2's running gear.. The CX-5(replaced the Tribute) is in the Escape, RAV4 etc group. The Mazda CX-7 was discontinued in 2012.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:18 AM

Correct.
CX-3=Ecosport
CX-5=Escape
CX-7=Dead
CX-9=Edge/Explorer

3 is/was B2. 5 is/was C1. 7 was a bastard C1. 9 is/was CD3.

I say is/was because they're said to be Mazda platforms now but I'm unsure how "all new" those platforms are.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:45 AM

Correct.
CX-3=Ecosport
CX-5=Escape
CX-7=Dead
CX-9=Edge/Explorer

3 is/was B2. 5 is/was C1. 7 was a bastard C1. 9 is/was CD3.

I say is/was because they're said to be Mazda platforms now but I'm unsure how "all new" those platforms are.

CX-3 is  a Mazda DE which is Ford B2E with Ecosport...they're close cousins anyway

I wonder if the NG Fiesta Active Utility is Ford's "CX-3"

 

CX5 is not C1, it is SkyActiv platform -new suspension,  frame, engine and trans

Part of me  wonders if SkyActive frame is a lightweight evolution of C1..

 

CX-7 was a mixture of two mazda platforms, 

the front suspension is LY (MPV minivan) or close cousin to CD3 used in 6 and early Fusion/Milan/MKZ

and the rear is C1 control blade IRS as used in the Mazda Premacy and c1 Focus/Kuga/ Escape/ Tribute

 

CX-9 is Mazda CD3S, used in Gen 1 Edge and MKX

quite different to CD3 used in 6 and early Fusion/Milan/MKZ


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:06 AM

I believe they consider the new CX-9 to be Skyactiv as well.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:07 AM

 

This is definitely a stop gap car size wise. I don't see Ford keeping it this small for the next generation. And it will be the case regardless if Ford plans to sell a C-Max sized CUV or not.

 

Outside of the 4 inch length and height difference between the two (C-Max vs Escape) they are identical. 

 

I can see the Ecosport growing a bit, but there's been mention of a Gen X CUV, which I'm assuming is what will be slotted between the Ecosport and Escape, which will most likely grow another few inches...all assume to roughly 180 in overall length

 

I'm going to assume the Gen X CUV is going to be roughly 172 inches overall length.

 

The Ecosport is 158.2 inches as a comparison (a HR-V is 169)


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:06 AM

I would guess the "BC-Crossover" that will fill the gap between EcoSport and the next-gen Escape would be similarly sized as the Jeep Compass and the Nissan Rogue Sport...or about the same size as the first gen Escape and Honda CR-V.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:48 AM

No CX-5 is Edge competitor. CX-7 is Explorer competitor with 3 row seating.

There is still a gap between Escape and Ecosport but that will be fixed soon if that's what folks are referring to.

 

Nope.  CX-7 was the Edge competitor, and was discontinued years ago.

 

CX-3 - subcompact (HR-V, C-HR, EcoSport competitor)

CX-5 - compact (CR-V, RAV-4, Escape competitor)

CX-7 - midsize; discontinued (Edge, Murano competitor)

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:03 AM

I stand corrected.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:01 AM

Here you go -

The Eco is understated, as are most Fords, not offensive in any way, but somehow different, more 'SUV' looking,  Not sure that works today like it did 20 years ago.  I think Toyota will be the sales leader. Not that I like it, but it seems to be what the younger consumer wants today, and of course there is the crowd that only cares that it is a Toyota.  And yes, the Honda just blends in - like a Honda.  But the people line up to buy them!

 

Interesting, when I saw the Eco - I thought, blah, but when they are all lined up I find it is clearly my favorite  - at least in the photos.  I am not a fan of Asian styling; See how many times you can can crease the sheet metal before it gets offensive, and add a few more.  Then stretch the front end design in every direction until it looks like an aged movie star after 20 plastic surgeries. 

 

 

Added the Subaru in honor of my home State of Colorado where they are insanely popular.  XV Crosstrek to me is ho-hum, but they are all over the place here in the Mountain West.

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