rmc523 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 https://www.autoblog.com/2017/09/07/fords-lincoln-brand-plans-electrified-versions-of-all-models-by/ Ford Motor Co's premium Lincoln brand plans to offer hybrid gasoline-electric versions of all its U.S. models by 2022, according to three sources familiar with the plans.Details could be announced as early as Oct. 3, when Ford Chief Executive Officer Jim Hackett plans to update investors on the automaker's strategy.Company officials are also considering whether to introduce one or more all-electric Lincoln models, one source said. The proposed electrification scheme could be critical to Lincoln's future in China, which will require automakers to make electric vehicles an increasing percentage of their total sales.The Lincoln hybrids are part of a broader Ford program to offer at least 18 new electric and hybrid models over the next five years, the sources said. At least we know the entire Lincoln lineup will be hybridized at minimum (both conventional and plug-in). I'm sure full electric won't be far behind for at least some models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jqa1824 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 This is great. I think a Lincoln "4dr coupe" based on the next gen Mustang should be offered with an all-EV or hybrid power train. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 years from now? Not saying anyone is doing much better, but should it really take that long to get hybrid versions of their small lineup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm sure it will start with Aviator and Navigator, then MKZ and Continental as they move to CD6. Then mkc and mkx when they move to new platforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) I just don't get the obsession with electric. Hybrids really haven't significantly grown their market share in the last 5 years. The full electric options currently offered have all been flops. Meanwhile the internal combustion engine tech just keeps getting better. The power and fuel economy offered by todays IC engines is nothing short of incredible vs just 10 years ago. Obviously I'm not privy to the market research being done on all this, but it sure looks to me like a case of a bunch of lemmings racing each other over the edge of the electric cliff. Edited September 8, 2017 by Sevensecondsuv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm sure it will start with Aviator and Navigator, then MKZ and Continental as they move to CD6. Then mkc and mkx when they move to new platforms. MKZ already has a hybrid version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I just don't get the obsession with electric. Hybrids really haven't significantly grown their market share in the last 5 years. The full electric options currently offered have all been flops. Meanwhile the internal combustion engine tech just keeps getting better. The power and fuel economy offered by todays IC engines is nothing short of incredible vs just 10 years ago. Obviously I'm not privy to the market research being done on all this, but it sure looks to me like a case of a bunch of lemmings racing each other over the edge of the electric cliff. Believe me you, you're 100% right. Lincoln is essentially a boutique brand, they don't appeal to very many on a global scale. They are playing into a fantasy land they think will steal sales from Tesla, the German's, and anyone else who might be thinking the same thing. However, it is a fad that will die and be an expensive lesson that they should've already known. The internal combustion will live on far longer than me, and I'm relatively young. You just can't kill something that is getting better. If they go full electric, I write the brand off for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Believe me you, you're 100% right. Lincoln is essentially a boutique brand, they don't appeal to very many on a global scale. They are playing into a fantasy land they think will steal sales from Tesla, the German's, and anyone else who might be thinking the same thing. However, it is a fad that will die and be an expensive lesson that they should've already known. The internal combustion will live on far longer than me, and I'm relatively young. You just can't kill something that is getting better. If they go full electric, I write the brand off for good. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I don't know your political stance, but certain people said they voted for a woman.... I voted for "the man"..... A lot of people say he is insane. I say Hackett is insane and will ruin Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 years from now? Not saying anyone is doing much better, but should it really take that long to get hybrid versions of their small lineup? I've seen it speculated that the hold-up is a Fomoco battery factory for Fomoco battery supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Hmm Lucid Air coming into play ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I don't know your political stance, but certain people said they voted for a woman.... I voted for "the man"..... A lot of people say he is insane. I say Hackett is insane and will ruin Ford. and what does that have to do with anything? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I've seen it speculated that the hold-up is a Fomoco battery factory for Fomoco battery supply Makes sense, but there hasn't even been a rumor of such a thing happening Unless that's part of that really nebulous investment happening at FRAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msm859 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Believe me you, you're 100% right. Lincoln is essentially a boutique brand, they don't appeal to very many on a global scale. They are playing into a fantasy land they think will steal sales from Tesla, the German's, and anyone else who might be thinking the same thing. However, it is a fad that will die and be an expensive lesson that they should've already known. The internal combustion will live on far longer than me, and I'm relatively young. You just can't kill something that is getting better. If they go full electric, I write the brand off for good. Well they say with age comes wisdom so I will forgive you since you are "relatively young". Anyone who thinks electric cars is a "fad" that will die is to be kind naive. Yes, the ICE is getting better - but that is not enough. In your lifetime you will be seeing cities if not countries banning ICE vehicles. Electric cars are the future whether full or hybrids. Sadly your statement "If they go full electric, I write of the brand off for good" is a troubling and sad statement. What if they come up with a super battery with a 1000 mile range that can be recharged by a super solar panel built into the roof? Unless you depend on oil for your livelihood your statement is.........just pick a word of how your man is being described. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Well they say with age comes wisdom so I will forgive you since you are "relatively young". Anyone who thinks electric cars is a "fad" that will die is to be kind naive. Yes, the ICE is getting better - but that is not enough. In your lifetime you will be seeing cities if not countries banning ICE vehicles. Electric cars are the future whether full or hybrids. Sadly your statement "If they go full electric, I write of the brand off for good" is a troubling and sad statement. What if they come up with a super battery with a 1000 mile range that can be recharged by a super solar panel built into the roof? Unless you depend on oil for your livelihood your statement is.........just pick a word of how your man is being described. That's a big "if", and even so, who is doing the banning? People who share your view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Age has nothing to do with knowledge..... How do you know I'm not going to a top college in the country looking to get a career as an automotive engineer? After all, people like me are far smarter than people and f the last century. We're the ones designing the future. Edited September 8, 2017 by LincolnLover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) That's a big "if", and even so, who is doing the banning? People who share your view? London and Paris for starters, not exactly small cities last time I checked. Edited September 8, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 London and Paris for starters, not exactly small cities last time I checked. I'm aware of those. I believe China and India are also, at least India. And we have those ridiculous 2025 cafe garbage and 2050 nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I get it, it's nice having mommy and daddy's wallet to pay for gas For those of us in the real world it's nice to have cars getting more efficient. Makes it easier to afford groceries and other bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) I get it, it's nice having mommy and daddy's wallet to pay for gas For those of us in the real world it's nice to have cars getting more efficient. Makes it easier to afford groceries and other bills. That's partly a true statement. You must have children.... Anyway, I wish my V8 got 30 mpg in the city and 50 mpg on the highway like the Chevy Cruze diesel, but it gets 14+ city/20+ highway..... it doesn't help running strictly premium in every vehicle we own. Realistically, if you spend so much on gas that you are having trouble with your groceries and other bills, you can't be in any vehicle made in this decade or your driving like crazy or it's an ecoboost f150. You should look into other areas of your finances, make some good investments and create a nest egg for yourself and your family. I don't even spend $80 a week on gas, and I drive a lot between our businesses and real estate properties every week. I usually put $20 or $25 in every 2-3 days. The MKZ definitely gets around 17 city and 23 highway, if I recall correctly. The Sierra 1500 likes to hit the sauce tho. Not bad with afm, but it'd be nice to have a truck get 18+ city and 28+ highway. That'll never happen though. There comes a time when you just can't get any more efficient. I seriously think it's stupid to make Lincoln fully electric, build a new brand for that, or a sub brand of Lincoln. Even if there was a battery with 1,000 mile range, what good is it in the long run? I sincerely don't believe they last as long as an ICE, and the initial cost of the vehicle would be astronomical for someone such as yourself or other blue collar folks who can barely afford to put food on the table or pay other bills. Unless you want a Model 3 or a Volt, but that ain't no Lincoln....... I guarantee any Lincoln fully electric with any kind of real battery pack will cost north of $60k for say a small sedan/crossover, and well north of $100k for a Continental or Navigator. Edited September 8, 2017 by LincolnLover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Alright there junior, you don't get to tell me how I spend my money I earn. Go back to your little Ann Arbor bubble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Alright there junior, you don't get to tell me how I spend my money I earn. Go back to your little Ann Arbor bubble. Haha don't take stuff so serious fuzzy..... that's how you get gray hair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLover Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Not sure what part of the country you all are from, but some companies here in NY pay gas for certain positions. Not traveling positions, just a bonus. That's how I get my gas, in our organization, it's a bonus. ? Those jobs are the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 years from now? Not saying anyone is doing much better, but should it really take that long to get hybrid versions of their small lineup? That's unfortunately the result of product cycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 MKZ already has a hybrid version True but I'm assuming it's moving to CD6 and therefore a new hybrid system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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