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Indisputable results - fantasic 2.0-L ecoBoost in Escape AWD

ecoboost 2.0-l mileage

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#1 OFFLINE   FirefighterGeek

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:23 PM

Completed a round trip from Maine to DC.   1480 miles total.  Reset the trip computer before starting.  Mileage beat the sticker sheet estimate for a perfect 28.0.   No weird hyper-miler tricks, no over inflated tires.  Drove speed limit +5 the whole way (which means 65-75 depending on location).   Air conditioning on, etc.  No games or tricks, just drove.  Used regular, cheapest available gas from reputable stations (my preference right now is Mobil for having the best detergents).

 

My point in posting was that so many cars are sold with misleading, unattainable mileage reports on the sticker that I am amazed to beat the EPA mileage number -- on top of the car being far faster/quicker than I'd realized when I bought it.  You don't expect to be getting something so quick when you buy a 2 liter, four cylinder engine.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:29 PM

Good job!


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:32 PM

My point in posting was that so many cars are sold with misleading, unattainable mileage reports on the window sticker, that I am amazed to beat the window mileage number -- on top of the car being far faster/quicker than I'd realized when I bought it.  You don't expect to be getting something so quick when you buy a 2 liter, four cylinder engine.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 07:04 PM

Playing Devil's Advocate :devil: Fuel computers are usually off, did you do any actual calculations? :stirpot:


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 07:24 PM

Playing Devil's Advocate :devil: Fuel computers are usually off, did you do any actual calculations? :stirpot:

No.    And generally, the reason people find fuel computers are off is that they don't reset them in a way that properly correlates to when they fuel up.   If you reset at fill-up, run several tanks through, and are able to truly accurately get back to the exact same fill point, you'll find you get a pretty good result.  Most people don't do that.   The less fuel you run through, the more likely small differences in what you put in, where the nozzle shuts off, etc will make a much bigger difference.   Fuel computers are also off in that they calculate for the full duration they're calculating, when the driving you're doing is specific -- so estimates of fuel remaining tend to be way off because you drive differently as you get low on fuel.   To make it worse, different manufacturers calculate differently.   My former car, a Subaru, seemed to calculate mileage and DTE based on a rolling 10 mile or so average so it could be way off what you would expect.   This Ford computer seems to be more rigid, calculating actual fuel use by actual miles since you pressed the clear button on that trip -- which is both good and bad.   It means if you don't hit the reset fairly often, your calculated number is averaged over a very long period and will tend toward median -- which is misleading in terms of calculating DTE for right now.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:20 AM

My parents could get almost 32 MPG out their 2013 Escape Ti FWD driving to my old house, which was about a 2 hour drive down 195 and 95 from NJ to MD, depending on traffic and AC usage. 


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:38 AM

I use Fuelly (gastracker) as an additional resource to the vehicle calculations. The Ford calculations are 1-2 mpg optimistic compared to Fuelly.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:51 AM

My parents could get almost 32 MPG out their 2013 Escape Ti FWD driving to my old house, which was about a 2 hour drive down 195 and 95 from NJ to MD, depending on traffic and AC usage. 

Huge difference between FWD and AWD though.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 05:10 PM

Our 2017 4wd titanium escape with the 2.0 3coboost gives us 27-28 mpg on a trip and 23-24 in mixed driving. The 2.0 is a rocket compared to a lot of the other small suvs out there.

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 05:12 PM

Also the 4wd works great drove on the interstate last week in 8 inches and the suv felt very stable and changed lanes with ease and took off without much wheel spin.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:20 PM

Absolutely great in the snow and ice.   I live in Maine.  I just this evening returned from dropping my daughter off at her university in Canada.  VERY long 8 hour drive today in snow in ice.  It was -18F (-27C) when we left on Sunday morning and we headed 350 miles north and east.  Today was the ride back and the entire trip was safe, comfortable, and confident.   There's a stretch of about 50 or so miles around Fredricton, NB where they'd had significant ice on Thursday night and the road is an inch thick layer of ice like concrete that the plows can't clear.  It's so cold that the de-icing treatments don't work.   Driving for hours on a wash-board surface of ice, I was able to comfortably hold 50mph with appropriate spacing to the next vehicle (about 4 times as long as normal) and at no time did I feel like I was slipping.  Not uphill, not on corners, never.  Then I hit pretty heavy snow on the way down today, for about 120 miles.  From just before crossing the border where I-95 hits Canada all the way to south of Bangor it was a single visible lane in blowing snow.   Even when I had to hit the covered lane to creep past someone going slow in the clear lane, the Escape 4WD was brilliant and never slipped.

It was also very nice to start the car from my hotel room in Sackville, New Brunswich where it was 5 degrees and snowing this morning.  Walking out to a warm car, warm seats and steering wheel, defrosted windows...lovely.

(That's the northernmost section of US I-95)
I-95 from the Canadian border to Bangor -- about 100 miles today as part of a trip in my 2017 Escape Titanium 4WD.   Not the least little problem.



 

Also the 4wd works great drove on the interstate last week in 8 inches and the suv felt very stable and changed lanes with ease and took off without much wheel spin.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:31 AM

Nice to see what I95 looks like this time of year near the Canadian Border.  Next week I`ll try to Post a Pic of I95 Mile Marker 0 where it begins at the Intersection of the Rickenbacker Causeway going over to Key Biscayne ajacent to Coconut Grove in Miami. De-Icing, Dry Gas, Engine Core Block Heaters, Ice Scrapers, huh? Now if Ford can get around to offering Cool Seats, Cool Steering Wheels, an a Cool Interior.  Almost forgot, they already offer that.  Power Windows with the Global Open feature so that when your Remote Fob is pressed a few seconds, your Power Windows an Power Moonroof automatically open to cool things down by letting the built up Hot Air out. Of course, also allowing the Rain to pour in as well when a sudden downpour hits.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:36 AM

Just recently took delivery of a 2018 Ford EcoSport with its 3 Cyl 1 Ltr. eco-Boost Engine.  Ford claims EPA Fuel Economy estimates of 27 mpg City, 29 mpg Highway, an 28 mpg Combined.  With a Vehicle that weights barely 3000 lbs an looks like a Mini-Escape, hope to be pleasantly surprised by getting better numbers then what the Window Sticker claims.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:59 AM

Funny you mention that.  I'm on Captiva island for a bit of a vacation right now.   The Ford is at the airport for when I get back though.  I rented a Hyundai shitbox for the week and plant to leave it parked.

 

I'll bet living down here in the heat, you did not opt for the BLACK paint on yours.

 

 

Nice to see what I95 looks like this time of year near the Canadian Border.  Next week I`ll try to Post a Pic of I95 Mile Marker 0 where it begins at the Intersection of the Rickenbacker Causeway going over to Key Biscayne ajacent to Coconut Grove in Miami. De-Icing, Dry Gas, Engine Core Block Heaters, Ice Scrapers, huh? Now if Ford can get around to offering Cool Seats, Cool Steering Wheels, an a Cool Interior.  Almost forgot, they already offer that.  Power Windows with the Global Open feature so that when your Remote Fob is pressed a few seconds, your Power Windows an Power Moonroof automatically open to cool things down by letting the built up Hot Air out. Of course, also allowing the Rain to pour in as well when a sudden downpour hits.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:01 AM

I'd be curious about how rough that thing is at idle and what you find the performance to be.

 

Nice to see what I95 looks like this time of year near the Canadian Border.  Next week I`ll try to Post a Pic of I95 Mile Marker 0 where it begins at the Intersection of the Rickenbacker Causeway going over to Key Biscayne ajacent to Coconut Grove in Miami. De-Icing, Dry Gas, Engine Core Block Heaters, Ice Scrapers, huh? Now if Ford can get around to offering Cool Seats, Cool Steering Wheels, an a Cool Interior.  Almost forgot, they already offer that.  Power Windows with the Global Open feature so that when your Remote Fob is pressed a few seconds, your Power Windows an Power Moonroof automatically open to cool things down by letting the built up Hot Air out. Of course, also allowing the Rain to pour in as well when a sudden downpour hits.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:34 PM

Ford claims EPA Fuel Economy estimates of 27 mpg City, 29 mpg Highway, an 28 mpg Combined.  With a Vehicle that weights barely 3000 lbs an looks like a Mini-Escape, hope to be pleasantly surprised by getting better numbers then what the Window Sticker claims.

 

Just for the record - Ford doesn't "claim" mpg.   Ford estimates mpg using a very tightly controlled EPA mandated test procedure.  When done properly there is virtually no variance between drivers or test runs.   The EPA audits the mfr results so they can't just make up numbers without getting caught.

 

The point is the mpg on the sticker is based on the actual test results as dictated by the EPA, not whatever Ford (or any other mfr) feels like putting on the sticker.   It's regulated by law.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:28 PM

 

Just for the record - Ford doesn't "claim" mpg.   Ford estimates mpg using a very tightly controlled EPA mandated test procedure.  When done properly there is virtually no variance between drivers or test runs.   The EPA audits the mfr results so they can't just make up numbers without getting caught.

 

The point is the mpg on the sticker is based on the actual test results as dictated by the EPA, not whatever Ford (or any other mfr) feels like putting on the sticker.   It's regulated by law.

 

I know, we have rehashed the matter before but after the 2013 Ford C-Max fiasco with a EPA 47 mpg.....just hoping that this Mini-Escape gets close to the Fuel economy my 2017 Honda HR-V gets. An engine slightly larger then a decent size Moped (should) break the 30 mpg mark!



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:31 PM

I'd be curious about how rough that thing is at idle and what you find the performance to be.

 

With just over 400 miles driven in the past 3 weeks its has plenty of power for my needs.  No rough idle either. Finger crossed I can somehow break the 30 mpg threshold.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:33 PM

Funny you mention that.  I'm on Captiva island for a bit of a vacation right now.   The Ford is at the airport for when I get back though.  I rented a Hyundai shitbox for the week and plant to leave it parked.

 

I'll bet living down here in the heat, you did not opt for the BLACK paint on yours.

 

 

Actually, Shadow Black was my second choice for my 2018 Ford EcoSport. Tired of "50 Shades of Grey" so Diamond White was an easy choice. Finally a richer softer White pallette that Ford finally offers. A half Century of Oxford White?  Enough is enough.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:35 PM

The smaller the engine, the more variable the mileage is going to be.  The two biggest factors you can influence are:

1.  Weight.   The more stuff you carry, the worse mileage and it will have a much bigger impact on a  lightweight car with a smaller engine.

 

2.  Driving style.   If you keep your foot out of it, accelerate slowly, and keep your speed closer to 55 than 75, you'll do much better.   The smaller engine will be MUCH more impacted by a heavy foot and by having to fight the wind at higher speeds.

 

 

With just over 400 miles driven in the past 3 weeks its has plenty of power for my needs.  No rough idle either. Finger crossed I can somehow break the 30 mpg threshold.










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