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2018 Chevrolet Traverse first drive: Better looking, weirder shifting


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#1 OFFLINE   silvrsvt

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:07 AM

http://autoweek.com/...gn=awdailydrive

 

Hmmm maybe thats part of the reason why we haven't seen the FWD 9 speed in a Ford product yet?

 

 


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:22 AM

When I clicked on the link at first glance I thought the rear end picture of the Traverse was an Explorer used for comparison.

At least the new Traverse looks better than it did.

Perhaps you are on to something about the transmission.

Edited by tbone, 16 August 2017 - 10:22 AM.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:30 AM

Here's an Autoblog review:

 

https://www.autoblog...e-review-98765/

 

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I agree with the Autoblogger's comment about the interior - there are a lot of bizarre shapes in there thrown in for "style."  Reminds me of the Focus/Escape interiors.


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:34 AM

Perhaps that's one reason why Ford is turning it into an 8 speed over 9?

What? What happened?


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 06:25 PM

The problem is that whenever you move your foot down, it makes at least one downshift. Get a small breeze? Downshift. Going uphill? Downshift. Passing? Down, down, downshift.

Read more: http://autoweek.com/...ool#ixzz4q3bj57

 

And yet the 10-speed autos in F150 would seem to be less sensitive in regards to downshifting with small throttle changes..

 

I wonder if the Ecoboost engine's torque allows the trans to hold a gear longer and be less prone to downshift...


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:10 PM

Maybe Autoweek got a pre-production Chevy Traverse? Both Car and Driver and Consumer Reports praised the 9-speed automatic in new Traverse for being smooth and unobtrusive. http://www.caranddri...st-drive-review

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 01:58 AM

That is possible I guess.....
 



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Posted 18 August 2017 - 08:30 AM

That is possible I guess.....
 

 

I think other reviews have complained about the transmission in the Malibu and other vehicles too though.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 11:45 AM

Chevy knocked-off the modern Ford Explorer C-Pillar design that was spoke about often when the current generation Explorer was introduced.



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Posted 18 August 2017 - 02:59 PM

 

I think other reviews have complained about the transmission in the Malibu and other vehicles too though.

and we've heard rumors that GM was having issues with the shift quality of the 9-speed unit.

 

Perhaps Ford was wise to delay its rolout until all the issues with a new FWD/AWD auto, be that

8 or 9 speed could be sorted out and operate as well as the 10-speed auto.....


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 03:22 PM

Explorer from the side, Durango from the rear.

 

Engine lineup: NA V6 as base, turbo-4 as upgrade.

 

Only idea not copied from anyone else is the bowtie and the grille.  Sheesh.


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 03:10 AM

I'm a little surprised that GM didn't copy the Explorer's TTV6 option..



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:33 AM

When I clicked on the link at first glance I thought the rear end picture of the Traverse was an Explorer used for comparison.
At least the new Traverse looks better than it did.
Perhaps you are on to something about the transmission.

Agreed. It's an Explorer from the rear!
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:34 AM

Well, it could be worse.  They could be trying to build a BMW fighter.  :-)


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:49 AM

What is it with GM and their light grey cheap ass interiors?
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:52 PM

Well, it could be worse.  They could be trying to build a BMW fighter.  :-)


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:24 PM



I'm a little surprised that GM didn't copy the Explorer's TTV6 option..

 

Yea, the "upgrade" engine option is 2.0 turbo... which makes less power and worse EPA MPG than the 3.6 V6. Which begs the question... WTF?

 

Ford is marketing the 2.3 EB as an alternative to 3.5 V6, not an upgrade per se in the traditional sense. But the 2.3 EB offers much more torque advantage over the 3.5 and gets better EPA MPG so it makes sense for Ford and the customers. GM's 2.0 turbo seems to be the opposite... lower EPA MPG and only marginal improvement in torque.

 

As for the weird shifting 9 speed... sounds like poor programming algorithm to me. This is the first large SUV to use the 9 speed so maybe GM programed in some aggressive downshift algorithm to make sure it is not "sluggish". I'm sure a software reflash will fix it (or as someone pointed out up thread... maybe this is a pre-production car with preliminary software).


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 12:38 AM

 

Yea, the "upgrade" engine option is 2.0 turbo... which makes less power and worse EPA MPG than the 3.6 V6. Which begs the question... WTF?

especially when GM charges a premium for the V6 over the 2.0T in Camaro.

 

 

 

Ford is marketing the 2.3 EB as an alternative to 3.5 V6, not an upgrade per se in the traditional sense. But the 2.3 EB offers much more torque advantage over the 3.5 and gets better EPA MPG so it makes sense for Ford and the customers. GM's 2.0 turbo seems to be the opposite... lower EPA MPG and only marginal improvement in torque.

Precisely. Ford has clear differentiation between its EB 2.3 and the 3.5, soon to be PFDI 3.3 if things go to plan..

 

 

As for the weird shifting 9 speed... sounds like poor programming algorithm to me. This is the first large SUV to use the 9 speed so maybe GM programed in some aggressive downshift algorithm to make sure it is not "sluggish". I'm sure a software reflash will fix it (or as someone pointed out up thread... maybe this is a pre-production car with preliminary software).

And the GM fans were worried that the Ford lead 10AT would be problematic,

who'd have thought their own 9AT would have these teething problems...



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:35 AM

Properly programming the new automatic transmissions seems to be a real challenge, and not just for GM. The automatic transmissions in early Acura TLXs and Honda Pilots were giving owners fits, too.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:52 AM

Properly programming the new automatic transmissions seems to be a real challenge, and not just for GM. The automatic transmissions in early Acura TLXs and Honda Pilots were giving owners fits, too.


A friend of mine who does not have brand loyalty to any specific brand, wouldn't buy the new Pilot because of the transmission. So it does happen to all manufacturers.








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