silvrsvt Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 http://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/28/gm-cadillac-chief-new-ct5-will-replace-3-sedans-evs-coming/?ncid=edlinkusauto00000016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 All those billions of dollars over the past 10-15 years...all for naught. Makes Ford plan look brilliant in comparison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Wow - this must be killing Johan. It's so un-german..... It certainly vindicates what we've been saying all along about ATS/CTS. How much do you think Caddy wasted on ATS/CTS - all new vehicles - with such a short lifespan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 All those billions of dollars over the past 10-15 years...all for naught. Makes Ford plan look brilliant in comparison The GM fanbois will come up with some justification that only makes sense to them..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Wow - this must be killing Johan. It's so un-german..... It certainly vindicates what we've been saying all along about ATS/CTS. How much do you think Caddy wasted on ATS/CTS - all new vehicles - with such a short lifespan? From the article, I gathered they'll still have 3 sedans, though. An A3-sized model (CT4?), CT5 (ATS/CTS/XTS replacement), and CT6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 "Also, the last we heard, this smaller A3-fighting Cadillac sedan is supposed to be rear-wheel drive too, and that could be a lot of fun to drive." When the hell is GM going to stop "picking fights"? It never works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) This info been known for a while, the 19'-20' CTS and ATS were renamed CT4 and CT5 by JDN while XTS dies Edited July 28, 2017 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Renamed or replace with new vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Renamed or replace with new vehicles? Renamed from ATS to CT3/4 and CTS to CT5 I've seen the GM trademark filings somewhere, the decision eas made earlier this year. I believe there adding a coupe/convertible to the CT5 also because IMO it was going to be a "separate model" based on the CTS under the old nomenclature system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Renamed from ATS to CT3/4... "CT-minus™" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I wonder if all of Cadillac's slow selling sedans could be replaced by one decent sized sedan that embodies all that Cadillac traditionally stands for in terms of ride, comfort and style. Could they just go back to something around the size of the Zeta Commodore / Pontiac G8 / Chevrolet SS? I just don't see any real purchase or leverage in going after the compact sedan market with reduced interest in cars in general. Perhaps GM should go back to something it can build that complements the range of coming Utilities and acts as a counterpoint to those vehicles.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 In my opinion if they just quit trying to make them look like the Bat Mobile they'd probably increase sales. sheesh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 In my opinion if they just quit trying to make them look like the Bat Mobile they'd probably increase sales. sheesh I think their styling looks like the stealth fighter was what they wanted to copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) It's like GM overcompensated by trying too hard, over delivered and over shot buyer expectations by a long way. GM lost so many existing buyers in the scramble to elevate Cadillac that new buyers simply could not replace them. Buick really missed out in all of this, the Alpha based ATS and CTS would have made fine replacements for Verano and Regal while the Chinese market would have swallowed so many sales of both and bank rolled the whole thing. Camaro, a new SS and CTS could have been developed on Omega and joined CT6 production, Chevrolet and Cadillac would then have premium car products that did not clash with each other. Edited July 30, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 A Stealth airplane? Because it sure doesn't look like the Dodge Stealth which I can't figure out how to upload a picture of. My media only things I have previously uploaded, Image requires an "URL" such as a photobucket link. No idea how to upload an image from my laptop...used to be able to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 A Stealth airplane? Because it sure doesn't look like the Dodge Stealth which I can't figure out how to upload a picture of. My media only things I have previously uploaded, Image requires an "URL" such as a photobucket link. No idea how to upload an image from my laptop...used to be able to. Go to More Reply Options and you can browse and upload a local picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Thanks for the heads up, I'll try that when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) It's like GM overcompensated by trying too hard, over delivered and over shot buyer expectations by a long way. GM lost so many existing buyers in the scramble to elevate Cadillac that new buyers simply could not replace them. Those cars that GM were attracting customers with were unprofitable and mostly uncompetitive, least with the current crop you have money being earned with each sale. Buick really missed out in all of this, the Alpha based ATS and CTS would have made fine replacements for Verano and Regal while the Chinese market would have swallowed so many sales of both and bank rolled the whole thing. Camaro, a new SS and CTS could have been developed on Omega and joined CT6 production, Chevrolet and Cadillac would then have premium car products that did not clash with each other. I wouldn't make that claim too soon..... Edited July 31, 2017 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) well I made to "Add to post" and it shows the "thubmnail" it worked thanks Edited July 31, 2017 by Ron W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 More like this. Oh look the trunk lid of a cts coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Try to remember that this is not really about the US market. Cadillac's strategy since CT6 is to "supersize" to compete with the LWB version of competitor's offering in the target price range. The problem with CTS was that it lacks LWB version and GM addressed that with CT6. So CT6, which is roughly size of BMW 7-series is competing with LWB version of 5-series/E-class/A6L. And CT5, which I have no doubt will continue to be the size of 5-seres will be compete with LWB version of 3-series/C-Class/A4L. And CT4, which will probably be around the size of current ATS (not ATS-L) will compete 1-series/A-class/A3. Of course Cadillac can also future proof itself this time against LWB of 1-series/A-class/A3L, which I wouldn't rule out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I wonder in that vein of CT6 being a LWB equivalent for CTS, whether Cadillac would consider shifting CTS over to Omega and make the CT5 a true SWB version of CT6..... Yeah, I know highly improbably and would leave Alpha with even less tie in with Cadillac but Omega seems much more Cadillac like that Alpha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I wonder in that vein of CT6 being a LWB equivalent for CTS, whether Cadillac would consider shifting CTS over to Omega and make the CT5 a true SWB version of CT6..... Yeah, I know highly improbably and would leave Alpha with even less tie in with Cadillac but Omega seems much more Cadillac like that Alpha Well, GM likes to create and throw away platforms anyway, so they just might phase out Alpha. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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