jpd80 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Oh I'm definitely conflicted by it. I was disgusted when GM did it, and I'm now disgusted that Ford is planning to do it. It wreaks of over reaction and desire / greed to save a Billion, I suspect it's being thrown under a bus to recover some of the losses from pulling out of Mexico..and because Ford is still unclear on NAFTA. There's no reason why Ford couldn't have stayed with adding it at Hermosillo and still saved $500 M and I wonder if Ford will sometime soon regret doing this.... Edited July 8, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 The big risk here is that if the U.S. economy tanks, people will turn their attention to trade and whether the U.S. benefits from it. That always happens during an economic downturn, but this time we have a President who has expressed considerable skepticism about the benefits of trade, and the most popular figure among Democrats right now - Bernie Sanders - has expressed similar sentiments. Ford could really find itself over a barrel with a Chinese-sourced Focus if that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 The big risk here is that if the U.S. economy tanks, people will turn their attention to trade and whether the U.S. benefits from it. That always happens during an economic downturn, but this time we have a President who has expressed considerable skepticism about the benefits of trade, and the most popular figure among Democrats right now - Bernie Sanders - has expressed similar sentiments. Ford could really find itself over a barrel with a Chinese-sourced Focus if that happens. My gut tells me that Hermosillo is a fall back position if this all blows up in Ford's face, the only reason Ford jumped to China was instability with NAFTA and committing to new product going into Mexico before the agreement is renegotiated. Look for Ford to switch camps again if it makes political sense to do so and look good in the eyes of the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 My gut tells me that Hermosillo is a fall back position if this all blows up in Ford's face, the only reason Ford jumped to China was instability with NAFTA and committing to new product going into Mexico before the agreement is renegotiated. Look for Ford to switch camps again if it makes political sense to do so and look good in the eyes of the community. Could be but i do not think instability with nafta is the reason...more than likely it just makes more sense to build foci in china...no i dont like it...but that small car market is toast here...what ford moves south will be interesting to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I don't think Ford wants to put Fusion and focus in one plant and reduce volumes that much. Together they should be able to easily sell 400k - 450k annually which is more than one plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) I don't think Ford wants to put Fusion and focus in one plant and reduce volumes that much. Together they should be able to easily sell 400k - 450k annually which is more than one plant. Well, go back a few months and that was exactly the plan and while the combined total of both plants is currently on track for around the figures you suggest, there is absolutely no guarantee that current production and sales are going to level out. Fusion sales are sinking like a stone, 30% YOY to May Edited July 9, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I'm surprised Cuautitlán didn't get the Focus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Well, go back a few months and that was exactly the plan and while the combined total of both plants is currently on track for around the figures you suggest, there is absolutely no guarantee that current production and sales are going to level out. Fusion sales are sinking like a stone, 30% YOY to May That was Fields' plan and I don't think the board liked it. Fusion sales are tanking but the market is only down 20%. And we know why Focus is tanking. I think they want to get back that market share rather than giving it away by artificially limiting factory capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I was excited about the future Focus, but now that I know it will be built in China I hope it fails. So I'm conflicted about it. Problem solved...get an ST or whatever models they will be importing from the EU if you truly are so hung up on it and don't want a Chinese one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I would like to see not only the ST and RS imported from Europe, but also a 'Sport' model just under the ST, with the better suspension and a little extra HP for a reasonable price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I would like to see not only the ST and RS imported from Europe, but also a 'Sport' model just under the ST, with the better suspension and a little extra HP for a reasonable price. We might get Titanium hatchbacks as well. I think the Chinese cars will be mostly cheap sedans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I'm surprised Cuautitlán didn't get the Focus. We don't know what else Ford has planned for production in NAFTA zone so it's hard to speculate about the Focus decision. All we know is the Saint Luis Potosi would have allowed Ford to keep Focus in NAFTA zone. That implies Ford already earmarked Cuautitlan for something else - could be Escape, EcoSport, Transit Connect, or something new. Edited July 10, 2017 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 We don't know what else Ford has planned for production in NAFTA zone so it's hard to speculate about the Focus decision. All we know is the Saint Luis Potosi would have allowed Ford to keep Focus in NAFTA zone. That implies Ford already earmarked Cuautitlan for something else - could be Escape, EcoSport, Transit Connect, or something new. There continues to be a reference to "another" CUV product that Ford has in the pipeline (does not include those we know, like Aviator). I've read elsewhere that Ford plan to introduce a China only CUV later this year. Not sure what all of this means, other than I think it reinforces your point that something new might be headed to Cauatitlan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 There continues to be a reference to "another" CUV product that Ford has in the pipeline (does not include those we know, like Aviator). I've read elsewhere that Ford plan to introduce a China only CUV later this year. Not sure what all of this means, other than I think it reinforces your point that something new might be headed to Cauatitlan. We've been talking about a "mini Escape." And we also know they have something Model E related that's a crossover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 If Escape gets a little bit bigger there is room for a shorter version in between it and Ecosport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 If Escape gets a little bit bigger there is room for a shorter version in between it and Ecosport. That spy shot from last week suggests it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 That spy shot from last week suggests it is The question is what E name will it get? Equator? You know, I only just now realized Model E fits in with their "E" SUV/CUV naming scheme (as well as the obvious electric designation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) You know, I only just now realized Model E fits in with their "E" SUV/CUV naming scheme (as well as the obvious electric designation). isn't it supposed to be cars too, not just SUV/CUV? Edited July 11, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 isn't it supposed to be cars too, not just SUV/CUV? Yup, at least I think. The only one Ford confirmed was an electric CUV back in January at NAIAS. But PD reported yesterday that the "Model E" program was becoming a range of vehicles (which really is what we speculated from the beginning). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 If Escape gets a little bit bigger there is room for a shorter version in between it and Ecosport. That's what I'm beginning to think too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) rmc523, The Edge will be called Equator in Australia as Toyota own the rights to Corolla Edge package. Edited July 12, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 13, 2017 Author Share Posted July 13, 2017 rmc523, The Edge will be called Equator in Australia as Toyota own the rights to Corolla Edge package. Hmm....interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Rendering based on the spy shot http://www.omniauto.it/magazine/47143/ford-focus-sedan-rendering More renderings if you click over to the site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Rendering based on the spy shot http://www.omniauto.it/magazine/47143/ford-focus-sedan-rendering More renderings if you click over to the site um its a Fusion! I'd hope they would advance the current look a little bit more than this... I know its a render...but IMO its a bit disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 um its a Fusion! I'd hope they would advance the current look a little bit more than this... I know its a render...but IMO its a bit disappointing. Look at what they did with the new Fiesta. Definitely more evolutionary than revolutionary. I would have liked to see them advance it more than they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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