silvrsvt Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/19/elon-musk-los-angeles-boring-company-traffic-tunnels/?hcid=hp-tile-small-2 Anyone else find this to be incredibly stupid? Why not just build a real subway system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/19/elon-musk-los-angeles-boring-company-traffic-tunnels/?hcid=hp-tile-small-2 Anyone else find this to be incredibly stupid? Why not just build a real subway system? Well, the user would still have their car at the end destination rather than having to walk wherever they're going.......but that would make more sense for cross-city traffic (someone wanting to go through the city but not somewhere in it? Or someone coming from out of the city where this network doesn't service into the city? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Great idea! Let's move all the traffic underground! I see no bad that can come from that! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Musk... About the only thing left for him to propose is the diamond space elevator from 2061. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 A lot of up front costs with building underground tunnel systems, get the tolls wrong (too high) and you'll go broke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) In the land of fault lines, tremors, and earthquakes...I'd hate to see the engineering costs. Edited June 20, 2017 by Trailhiker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 At this point in time, Elon Musk could get a feature from like fifty different media outlets with a drawing on a napkin and a random combination of "tube", "electric", "Mars", "solar" and "rocket" And people wonder how Jonestown happened. Folks, you're looking right at how it works--only this time with people who fancy themselves much smarter than your typical cult followers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Only this time, it's the religion of technology and the faith that anything can be done, any obstacle can be overcome regardless of people actually want it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang_sallad Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 At this point in time, Elon Musk could get a feature from like fifty different media outlets with a drawing on a napkin and a random combination of "tube", "electric", "Mars", "solar" and "rocket" And people wonder how Jonestown happened. Folks, you're looking right at how it works--only this time with people who fancy themselves much smarter than your typical cult followers. I agree the guy is overhyped, and the tunnel idea is stupid, but... one of the guy's companies is selling 50,000 EVs per year and another company is delivering stuff to the space station on a regular basis, and has figured out how to land rockets back on the ground and reuse them. Just saying he's accomplished a bit more than Jim Jones... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I agree the guy is overhyped, and the tunnel idea is stupid, but... one of the guy's companies is selling 50,000 EVs per year and another company is delivering stuff to the space station on a regular basis, and has figured out how to land rockets back on the ground and reuse them. Just saying he's accomplished a bit more than Jim Jones... And I've made more money this year working in a factory than he has building cars. Ever. Does that mean I'm more accomplished than him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 And I've made more money this year working in a factory than he has building cars. Ever. Does that mean I'm more accomplished than him? This ^^^^^^^^^^ It doesn't take that much to build cars and lose money. Creating a company that builds cars and actually turns a profit is something else entirely. Give him credit for technical innovation but don't label him a successful businessman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Musk's strengths lie in his ability to raise money and hire the right technical people to fulfill his visions. Since PayPal, has he made any money in his business ventures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Since PayPal, has he made any money in his business ventures? PayPal was an accident. He came up with this shotgun blast of a company that was going to provide every banking service imaginable, both between banks and banks and between banks and customers. The only idea that stuck was PayPal. And having worked with PayPal's APIs and code for over a decade, I can tell you for a fact, it was a poorly written product when Musk had it, and it has not improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 figured out how to land rockets back on the ground and reuse them Elon Musk, personally, figured out how to do that? Or did he maybe hire engineers from NASA and their contractors and tell them to help themselves to billions of dollars and millions of man-hours of unpatented, royalty-free, 100% US taxpayer funded research and data? Sure, you can say, "well if it was so easy, why didn't someone else do it?" And the answer is because Elon Musk is a coldblooded sociopath who is better at lying than 999 people out of a thousand. He's not a good person, and that, in the end, is who he is, not his cars, not his solar panels, not his rockets--because all of those things were made by other people. Sociopaths succeed in business because business is, ultimately, an amoral pursuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 And having worked with PayPal's APIs and code for over a decade, I can tell you for a fact, it was a poorly written product when Musk had it, and it has not improved. I can attest to that. I've worked with it a couple times and it truly is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 History is made by dreamers, not doubters. I think Musk might be Batman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 History is made by dreamers, not doubters. I think Musk might be Batman. People will always make excuses for the sociopaths they believe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 That could nearly describe most people that start a company with focused determination. When failure is not an option, there is no time for "pretty please with surger on it".. only Mr. Wolf will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 When failure is not an option, there is no time for "pretty please with surger on it. Like I said. People will always find reasons to defend the liars they believe in. Musk is a serial liar, and here you are with unshakeable confidence in him. Stop and think about that for a moment. "He has to lie and cheat! There's no other way to succeed!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 At this point in time, Elon Musk could get a feature from like fifty different media outlets with a drawing on a napkin and a random combination of "tube", "electric", "Mars", "solar" and "rocket" And people wonder how Jonestown happened. Folks, you're looking right at how it works--only this time with people who fancy themselves much smarter than your typical cult followers. https://www.google.com/search?q=musk+mars+rocket&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicj8mtntLUAhXBNj4KHU8HDSgQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=652 No drawing on a napkin, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Seriously. If Elon Musk told people that he had a rocket provisioned and ready to take them to Mars in 2018, you would have thousands of "smart" people lining up and, in fact, fighting, for the opportunity to board that rocket. And if the whole thing blew up on the launch pad, Musk could probably fill another rocket. And maybe even another one after that before people stopped believing in him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 True Believers When people who should know better, do the dumbest things and just eat up the hype and charm of a charismatic leader. This time, the religion is technology and can do spirit is being touted to overcome any perceived object and woe beget any "luddite" that dare question the plan or motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang_sallad Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 And I've made more money this year working in a factory than he has building cars. Ever. Does that mean I'm more accomplished than him? The Model S is profitable, they're just pouring a bit of money into, you know, scaling up production by a factor of 10, and deploying a global network of high power charging stations. Things that not many other car companies do very often. It's funny cause in EV crowds, I'm generally seen as a Tesla basher, but you come on here and the hatred is incredible! If this guy's last name was Ford, everybody on here would be fawning all over him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 All car companies have to fund ongoing R&D and capital improvements. #excuses #heroworship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) The Model S is profitable If this guy's last name was Ford, everybody on here would be fawning all over him. The Model S is profitable according to a guy who says a million people will be ordering pizza on Mars before 2067. So, you know. And Henry Ford did more than Musk will ever do, and he was a deeply flawed person who--after the "peace ship" failure--turned into a rabid anti-Semite, empowered the guy who brought the Mafia into Detroit and more or less killed his own kid. So yeah, lots of fawning over guys named Ford here--likewise his grandson who almost destroyed Ford by spending the 70s feuding with Lee Iacocca instead of just firing that twerp (serious: Ford had like two of everything by the end of the decade: Lee's car & Hank the Deuce's car). Edited June 23, 2017 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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