twintornados Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Holy shit!! TStag is back!! PS: It was still smart of Ford to off-load JLR...it would have never become what it is if it had stayed in the Blue Oval family and even you can admit that it was the right thing to do. Alan Mulally did the correct thing when he cue'ed up "One Ford", it saved the all of the companies so that you could continue to gush over the designs of JLR...welcome back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Second Best Land Rover April sales month driven by strong performance of Range Rover Evoque Evoque and the Discovery specs elude to a 250 hp 4cyl turbo engine. Would it be correct to assume this is the Ford 2.0 Ecoboost engine? So Ford still has some skin in this game - no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 Second Best Land Rover April sales month driven by strong performance of Range Rover Evoque Evoque and the Discovery specs elude to a 250 hp 4cyl turbo engine. Would it be correct to assume this is the Ford 2.0 Ecoboost engine? So Ford still has some skin in this game - no? For 2018 model year, Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport should get the 2.0 liter Ingenium gasoline engine. There are 247 hp and 296 hp versions of the engine. I don't know if U.S. market Evoque and Discovery Sport will get both. This engine was designed completely in-house by JLR with no involvement from Ford. https://blog.caranddriver.com/ingenium-inline-four-will-join-land-rovers-powertrain-offerings-for-2018/ 2017 Evoque and Discovery Sport use the first generation Ford Ecoboost 2.0L turbo. This engine has been criticized for turbo lag and uneven power delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 ....2017 Evoque and Discovery Sport use the first generation Ford Ecoboost 2.0L turbo. This engine has been criticized for turbo lag and uneven power delivery. . Then it must be something JLR is doing since turbo lag and uneven power delivery is not an issue when the 2.0L Ecoboost is installed in a Ford... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 . Then it must be something JLR is doing since turbo lag and uneven power delivery is not an issue when the 2.0L Ecoboost is installed in a Ford... Just the opposite. There is NO turbo lag but it does run out of steam past 4500 rpm. I don't know where these people get this turbo lag crap unless they're confusing it with the Electronic Throttle delay. My 2.0LEB Fusion can chirp the tires from a standing stop without torque braking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Second Best Land Rover April sales month driven by strong performance of Range Rover Evoque Evoque and the Discovery specs elude to a 250 hp 4cyl turbo engine. Would it be correct to assume this is the Ford 2.0 Ecoboost engine? So Ford still has some skin in this game - no? The few times I've driven the Evoque, I've found it slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) I'd love to know how much money Ford made out of the ten year engine supply contract to Jaguar/ Land Rover. I'd have to imagine that was the cherry on top of a fairly cheap sale price.. Up until the Ingeniums, all engines In those Jaguar land Rovers came form a Ford engine plant. Edited October 18, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 ^ sounds like the afaik-typical dealer business plan: try to break even on the sale + 'get them' on maintenance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 ^ sounds like the afaik-typical dealer business plan: try to break even on the sale + 'get them' on maintenance Yep, every one of those engines earned a profit for Ford - not as much profit per car as J/LR makes but absolutely nowhere near the exposure to risk that Ford had when it had PAG either... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 For 2018 model year, Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport should get the 2.0 liter Ingenium gasoline engine. There are 247 hp and 296 hp versions of the engine. I don't know if U.S. market Evoque and Discovery Sport will get both. This engine was designed completely in-house by JLR with no involvement from Ford. https://blog.caranddriver.com/ingenium-inline-four-will-join-land-rovers-powertrain-offerings-for-2018/ U.S. 2018 Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport both get 237 hp and 286 hp versions of JLR's Ingenium 4-cylinder gasoline engine. Confirmed yesterday. http://media.landrover.com/en-us/news/2017/10/2018-land-rover-discovery-sport-and-range-rover-evoque-get-performance-bump-latest This officially marks the end of Ford supplied 4-cylinder engines for Jaguar and Land Rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 They needed more powerful engines. Mysteriously, the Evoque convertible only gets the lower power option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) U.S. 2018 Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport both get 237 hp and 286 hp versions of JLR's Ingenium 4-cylinder gasoline engine. Confirmed yesterday. http://media.landrover.com/en-us/news/2017/10/2018-land-rover-discovery-sport-and-range-rover-evoque-get-performance-bump-latest This officially marks the end of Ford supplied 4-cylinder engines for Jaguar and Land Rover. Back in 2012, Ford advised J/LR that it would not be able to guarantee full supply of 2.0 GDIT engines to it and that it should explore other avenues of supply... So now Ford supplies the 3.0 TT V6 gas engine, the 5,0 V8 gas engine and the two diesels, the 3.0 V6 and the 4.4 V8. All of those engine supply contracts will either end or be extended next year. Edited October 27, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hey, we are just reciprocating to the Brits for those Rolls-Royce Merlin powered P-51B/C Mustangs during WWII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 a 6 billion pound war chest to fund further growth? What you don't know about business would fill a warehouse. If it costs, say, $3B to earn a total of $1.5B in profits before you have to invest another $3B, you have a product that does not self-fund. JLR's products do not self-fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 While J-LR might have a $6 Billion war chest , Ford now has a$28 Billion war chest because it got rid of J-LR, Volvo, Mazda and Aston Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 And then I found this article that Exposed J/LR's Q1 results (June 2017) Jaguar Land Rover Weaker Profit Outlook Alarms Investorshttps://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2017/08/11/jaguar-land-rover-weaker-profit-outlook-alarms-investors/#432cab6c18f1 The headline numbers looked good. In the first financial quarter ended June 30, JLR’s profit before tax rose to 595 million pounds ($772 million) from 399 million ($518 million) in the same quarter last year. But the profit included a one-time gain of 437 million pounds ($567 million) as the company changed the way it calculates pension liabilities. So instead of a real $115 Million profit from operations, they added a $567 Million paper shuffling trick to get a conjured $772 Million result. Beginning to think that $6.6 Billion war chests consists mostly of chocolate teapots....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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