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The New High-Performance Fords Could Fail the Same Way the Pontiac GTO Did


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#21 OFFLINE   snooter

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:58 AM

Pretty fairly written from my perspective..but i drive an ih scout and think the fiesta is not worth anywhere near msrp so i dont really count..but yea i will be gettin a new grocery getter..ill do the leg work and find a dealer who knows fair value of a fiesta or foci...damn things are grocery getters an nutin more..hell we aint talking 70 boss 302's here or scouts







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#22 OFFLINE   Fgts

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 03:07 AM

The curious case of the GTO have nothing to do with Ford's offerings. The last Aussie Ford that was offered was Capri

The GTO gradually improved over the years with styling and engines. IIRC the GTO was to be offered again after the G8 sport truck and wagon was introduced in 10' along with Monaro and Zeta Camaro but of course Pontiac died.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 06:05 AM

Pretty fairly written from my perspective..but i drive an ih scout and think the fiesta is not worth anywhere near msrp so i dont really count..but yea i will be gettin a new grocery getter..ill do the leg work and find a dealer who knows fair value of a fiesta or foci...damn things are grocery getters an nutin more..hell we aint talking 70 boss 302's here or scouts

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#24 OFFLINE   RichardJensen

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:18 PM

Wait. There were addendums on the GTO?


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 04:43 PM

The curious case of the GTO have nothing to do with Ford's offerings. The last Aussie Ford that was offered was Capri

The GTO gradually improved over the years with styling and engines. IIRC the GTO was to be offered again after the G8 sport truck and wagon was introduced in 10' along with Monaro and Zeta Camaro but of course Pontiac died.

The Monaro did not make it to Zeta, no other Nth American division could be convinced to take a two door car

developed off a sedan platform and respect for the Camaro meant that development wold entail it being

so much more than that.

 

The biggest cut was GMNA cancelling Zeta based Impala and Lucerne replacement, without those vehicles,

further expanson of Zetas in North America was terminally wounded. Time showed that GM could have easily

embraced Zeta for one product cycle without, significant effect on its CAFE economy targets.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:24 AM

A prime example of the weak link in the purchase chain.

 

I order the new products I buy.  My preference is to order, pickup and purchase directly with Ford MoCo assembly plant and not with an independent used car dealership.

 

I will take care of the old car/truck just like I do with everything else I have that will be replaced. I can use CarMax or any other used car dealership to sell my old car.

 

The way consumers shop is changing fast.. Brick and mortar stores are closing. 

 

What makes me laugh is on Saturday, at some dealerships, sales people in a line outside like prostitute waiting for the next customer.  At least when I leave a whorehouse, I feel satisfied after getting screwed .


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 12:15 PM

A prime example of the weak link in the purchase chain.

 

I order the new products I buy.  My preference is to order, pickup and purchase directly with Ford MoCo assembly plant and not with an independent used car dealership.

 

I will take care of the old car/truck just like I do with everything else I have that will be replaced. I can use CarMax or any other used car dealership to sell my old car.

 

The way consumers shop is changing fast.. Brick and mortar stores are closing. 

 

What makes me laugh is on Saturday, at some dealerships, sales people in a line outside like prostitute waiting for the next customer.  At least when I leave a whorehouse, I feel satisfied after getting screwed .

 

 

The issue is the political power that dealership bodies have. Just look at what has been happening with Tesla and them trying to sell cars. Till someone breaks that power structure some how, you'll deal with the current issues we have. 

 

I'm sure most auto manufactures would like to have more power to do what they want to do with their dealerships also.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 12:29 PM

The way we purchase new cars will change soon.

 

Phase one is Ford starting to distance its self as a "Motor Company".


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:05 PM

The way we purchase new cars will change soon.

 

Phase one is Ford starting to distance its self as a "Motor Company".

 

Been hearing that line for over ten years. Financial crisis brought this industry to its knees, and it didn't change the dealership model.

 

Just because it's inefficient doesn't mean it's going away (see also: alcohol retailing)


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:17 PM

The way we purchase new cars will change soon.
 
Phase one is Ford starting to distance its self as a "Motor Company".


Whole lot of laws need to change first (state by state).

Can you buy Teslas in Michigan yet?

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:24 PM

Funny that some have this idea that the structure of dealerships will change and that somehow buyers

will start buying cars like mobile phones without requiring test drives or comparisons with other brands.

 

Penske's haggle free price nearly sent his dealerships broke with everyone else knowing what the bottom line was,

the other side of that is customers like to haggle and get a good deal otherwise they feel like the no haggle price

is just the dealer screwing them again......

 

As others have said, a lot of laws would have to change and since dealerships and consumer issues are covered

by state law, this is not going to be a watershed moment where all the laws change and we go to something else...

 

People are saying that change is coming but when push comes to shove, no one really knows what will change,

when it will change or even if it will change....



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 07:14 PM

I don't think Ford really wants to sell cars directly to the public.  That's a whole other headache.  They would like more control over the dealerships thought and that's not going to happen anytime soon thanks to state franchise laws.



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Posted 10 April 2017 - 06:51 AM

I don't think Ford really wants to sell cars directly to the public.

Ford has already been there and done that. Back around the turn of the century, Ford bought most of the dealerships in the Oklahoma City metro area; a few years later, all they'd succeeded in doing was introducing new names to the dealership games when they sold them off again.

 

Ironically, my local dealership was one of the few that didn't sell out to Ford, and they eventually ended up buying three of the former Ford-owned dealerships.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:13 PM

Ive been hearing the dealership model and the buying process is going to change since Ive been in the business,,,and that's since 1986...guess what, NOTHINGS changed barring higher MSRPS, caps on dealership profitability and more and more paperwork to sign to restrain Attorneys.....and I LOVE the peeps that think the process will become just like Amazon.....wont happen in my lifetime....and along those lines Factory run dealerships fail miserably as well....if anything the experience is worse than someone that vested their own hard earned money to own a franchise. I know the family tat own my place of employ hold great pride in their business....and have since day one. Now...do corporate owned facilities beat to the same drum or are they busy looking for every nickel and dime....theres your Autonation mentality right there....


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Posted Yesterday, 04:12 PM

Ford's been selling Hi-Po cars for decades, nothing to see here.










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