Fgts Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/06/2018-chevy-tahoe-rally-sport-truck-package/?icid=autoblog|news|2018-chevy-tahoe-rst-gets-a-420-horsepower-6.2-liter-v8-option -optional Brembo brakes -optional Brola exhaust -6.2 with 10 speed auto optional Spiritual return of the Trailblazer SS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yawn... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/06/2018-chevy-tahoe-rally-sport-truck-package/?icid=autoblog|news|2018-chevy-tahoe-rst-gets-a-420-horsepower-6.2-liter-v8-option -optional Brembo brakes -optional Brola exhaust -6.2 with 10 speed auto optional Spiritual return of the Trailblazer SS? I think it's pretty cool. The Tahoe/Suburban have aged well. "Spiritual return of the Trailblazer SS"? Why insult the Tahoe that way? I do wonder if a Borla exhaust would be a better option than a "Brola". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 I think it's pretty cool. The Tahoe/Suburban have aged well. "Spiritual return of the Trailblazer SS"? Why insult the Tahoe that way? I do wonder if a Borla exhaust would be a better option than a "Brola". U Mad bro the Extradition, ment Expedition don't have these options Mr. English teacher?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) I think it's pretty cool. The Tahoe/Suburban have aged well. Yes sir. GM is doing a good job keeping these big SUVs fresh after they were redesigned in 2014. The new packages for 2018 should ensure GM's dominance in full size non-unibody SUVs. I think they own close to three quarters of this whole market. No one else even comes close. Edited April 6, 2017 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yes sir. GM is doing a good job keeping these big SUVs fresh after they were redesigned in 2014. The new packages for 2018 should ensure GM's dominance in full size non-unibody SUVs. I think they own close to three quarters of this whole market. No one else even comes close. no one else is coming remotely close to putting the same resources into it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yes sir. GM is doing a good job keeping these big SUVs fresh after they were redesigned in 2014. The new packages for 2018 should ensure GM's dominance in full size non-unibody SUVs. I think they own close to three quarters of this whole market. No one else even comes close. It's easy to own the market when you're basically the only player with a "modern" product. Think about it - what's the competition? Sequoia? Last new for 2007 Armada? Just redesigned (well, rebadged QX80) for the first time since 2004 Expedition? Aside from a minor refresh in '15, most of it dates back to 2007, and the body dates back to 2003. Navigator? Same as Expedition. So it's not as if there's been much competition in the segment anytime recently. And as fuzzy said, nobody has spent nearly as much either. It'll be interesting to see if Expedition (and Navigator) can finally start taking a much bigger piece of the pie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/06/2018-chevy-tahoe-rally-sport-truck-package/?icid=autoblog|news|2018-chevy-tahoe-rst-gets-a-420-horsepower-6.2-liter-v8-option -optional Brembo brakes -optional Brola exhaust -6.2 with 10 speed auto optional Spiritual return of the Trailblazer SS? Regardless, these are some pretty cool options. I have felt Ford should make options like this available for the Explorer Sport. I feel the Sport can compete with the Jeep SRT8 with some enhancements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 no one else is coming remotely close to putting the same resources into it either. . You would think Ford would with their market dominance in the truck world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 . You would think Ford would with their market dominance in the truck world. Until this new model about to launch, the Expedition (and by proxy the Navigator) have been an afterthought. Rumor is they were seriously considering giving them the axe around 2008 when the industry collapsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Until this new model about to launch, the Expedition (and by proxy the Navigator) have been an afterthought. Rumor is they were seriously considering giving them the axe around 2008 when the industry collapsed. That's the biggest factor - there was little to no investment put in them from that point because it was thought they were dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 U Mad bro the Extradition, ment Expedition don't have these options Mr. English teacher?. Where did I say anything about the Expedition? As I said, I think this is pretty cool. The Trailblazer SS was lipstick on a pig though, and the vehicles are nothing alike. Personally I'd rather see this on a Yukon, then you could say spiritual successor to the Typhoon, which was awesome, but even more of a stretch. Now give me a blacked out Canyon with the TTV6 as the spiritual successor to the Syclone and I'd be knocking down the dealership door. (A 427 SS Silvy would be cool too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) That's the biggest factor - there was little to no investment put in them from that point because it was thought they were dying. The other investment GM made was a dedicated plant for its large SUVs while Ford shared KTP between Super Duty and Expedition / Navigator. It's a credit to Ford that they get as much as 38,000 combined units out of KTP in a single month but there's no way they will ever be able to match GM and build upwards of 30,000 large BOF Utilities a month. Edited April 8, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 You do have to give GM credit on full-size SUV market. Just like Ford knows what the market wants on trucks. GM has found a recipe for the full size SUV market. This just proves that specs on paper don't sell vehicles. The market dictates what sells. I had a Tahoe for a week and it was ok. I didn't find it anything to write home about. The interior reminded me of a minivan pumped up to 80psi. But I could see the appeal to a lot of customers. I find it interesting how we become accustomed to how a particular brand feels. I personally don't like how GM products feel inside. They have this cheap almost flimsy feeling. Everything from the ignition switch and turn signals to the bulky column shifter. The new instrument panel of the trucks remind me of marshmallow shapes. Ofcourse, I'm not a GM customer and obviously other people feel completely the opposite. I find it interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Ford, Toyota and Honda have the best interiors in the industry IMO. VW, BMW and Mercedes aren't terrible but aren't anything special for what they're targeting. The rest are meh at best. I also find GM to be rather bad as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Ford, Toyota and Honda have the best interiors in the industry IMO. VW, BMW and Mercedes aren't terrible but aren't anything special for what they're targeting. The rest are meh at best. I also find GM to be rather bad as well. A long time ago, I got into a disagreement with a Camaro guy about how I thought the previous Camaro interior was terrible. He could not believe I thought that. He thought the same year mustang was worse. Truthfully in today's eyes, they both were bad. However, back then, GM's turn signal operation made me wonder if it was going to latch in desired position or snap off. Also, the window switches where like pressing a loaf of bread. Not to mention the awful catalytic converter hump in passenger foot space. The steering felt so heavy like the assist was out. It truly shows the different tastes of buyers. Oh and before I get blasted. Yes the mustang interior was poor also. Panels didn't fit and rattled. But it did have better switch gear for the time and drove better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 The rest are meh at best. I also find GM to be rather bad as well. Among the full size non-unibody SUVs from regular brands, Nissan Armada has a surprisingly nice interior. Especially for the $45k base SV model. Unlike many other Nissans that have crummy interiors, Armada has lots of soft touch surfaces, woodgrain and stitching details, and high quality knobs and buttons inside. The cloth used for the seats in the SV model is also good quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 You do have to give GM credit on full-size SUV market. Just like Ford knows what the market wants on trucks. GM has found a recipe for the full size SUV market. This just proves that specs on paper don't sell vehicles. The market dictates what sells. I had a Tahoe for a week and it was ok. I didn't find it anything to write home about. The interior reminded me of a minivan pumped up to 80psi. But I could see the appeal to a lot of customers. I find it interesting how we become accustomed to how a particular brand feels. I personally don't like how GM products feel inside. They have this cheap almost flimsy feeling. Everything from the ignition switch and turn signals to the bulky column shifter. The new instrument panel of the trucks remind me of marshmallow shapes. Ofcourse, I'm not a GM customer and obviously other people feel completely the opposite. I find it interesting. Yeah, I've found GM vehicles to be cheap inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Not to mention the awful catalytic converter hump in passenger foot space. The steering felt so heavy like the assist was out. It truly shows the different tastes of buyers. Oh and before I get blasted. Yes the mustang interior was poor also. Panels didn't fit and rattled. But it did have better switch gear for the time and drove better. The Zeta Camaro was developed by the Aiussies, their engineers like a bit of weight in the steering and the window switches were actually changed over those in the Commodore... go figure. It just goes to show gaps in cultural sensitivity exist and understanding the actual interior package required for North America actually requires more on the ground. On the other side of that American fit and finish is rough as compared to the last of our Falcons, disappointing but not terminal to the faithful paying $65,000 for a car. On topic, 6.2 Tahoe with 10AT should be a blast to drive, can't wait for the first reports to filter through.. Edited April 9, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 The Zeta Camaro was developed by the Aiussies, their engineers like a bit of weight in the steering and the window switches were actually changed over those in the Commodore... go figure. It just goes to show gaps in cultural sensitivity exist and understanding the actual interior package required for North America actually requires more on the ground. On the other side of that American fit and finish is rough as compared to the last of our Falcons, disappointing but not terminal to the faithful paying $65,000 for a car. On topic, 6.2 Tahoe with 10AT should be a blast to drive, can't wait for the first reports to filter through.. Actually I was talking about the last generation Camaro. It was in F-body platform. 1993-2002. And I agree the 6.2 and 10sp in the Tahoe will probably be a beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 It would basically be the Escalade 6.2 with the new 10 speed, right? http://www.motortrend.com/cars/cadillac/escalade/2015/the-big-test-large-luxury-suvs/ In this comparison a couple years ago the Escalade just edged out the Navigator on 0-60 - 5.9 to 6.2. That was with the Cadillac having a 300lb weight advantage and an 8 speed vs a 6 speed. I think the 2018 Expedition will lose enough weight to hang pretty close to a 6.2 Tahoe, no high dollar option package required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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