silvrsvt Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://autoweek.com/article/spy-photos/ford-shelby-gt500-massive-wing-and-wheel-arch-louvers-suggest-could-be-it?utm_source=DailyDrive20170327&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=image-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I hope that spoiler doesnt make it into production. There has to be a more attractive way to get that downforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/news/2018-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-163200231.html Good looking rendering of it but obviously more "click bait" then anything. 2018 Ford Mustang To that end, we hear Ford is leaning away from EcoBoost and toward a supercharged, larger-displacement version of the Mustang GT’s Coyote. If that sounds a lot like the GT350’s 5.2-liter Voodoo V-8, well, that’s because it would be, albeit with a conventional 90-degree crankshaft in place of the Voodoo’s 180-degree piece, as well as direct fuel injection. Expect both a six-speed manual transmission and a 10-speed automatic co-developed with GM and also used in the ZL1. Edited March 27, 2017 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Am I the only one who thinks, this will not be a supercharged car? That just seems to go against what Ford is doing with the turbochargers. I could see them doing a 5.2 TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I admit that I've been hoping it'd be a turbo'd motor, as that would fold better into Ford's recent tendencies and maybe use that "EcoBeast" label they copyrighted.The way I see it, if tuners were replacing the blower on Ford GTs with turbos over the last decade and getting 4-digit horsepower, a Coyote or Voodoo should be able to flatten the Hellcat and meet emission requirements.Plus, I'm honestly not a huge fan of parasitic losses that come with supercharging. Maybe if they utilized electric forced induction...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 ..... Maybe if they utilized electric forced induction...? That's the future. Mind you with the computer controls now, turbo lag has been minimized to almost a non issue (still an issue with some). Imagine instant turbo spool with electric turbos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 If turboed, this is the car that needs the Twinforce name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Turbocharger? Supercharger? Why not both? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenvo_ST1 The Zenvo ST1 is a high performance sports car. Its turbocharged and supercharged 6.8-litre V8 engine generates 1,104 hp (823 kW) at 6,900 rpm and 1,430 N·m (1,050 lb·ft) of torque at 4,500 rpm. According to The Motor Report, the car set a 0–100 km/h time of 3.0 seconds, with 0–200 km/h taking 8.9 seconds, and a top speed of 375 km/h (233 mph) I watched them build it the other night on How It's Made: Dream Cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) I'm a HUGE fan of turbo whistle BUT I don't see that as something Ford will incorporate therefore my 2nd choice is the Supercharger Whine!!! I loved my brother in laws 04 Saleen Mustang. Between the incredible exhaust note and the supercharger sound.. it was heaven driving it. Edited March 28, 2017 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Am I the only one who thinks, this will not be a supercharged car? That just seems to go against what Ford is doing with the turbochargers. I could see them doing a 5.2 TT. I doubt they would use a 5.2L, but you never know. There were a lot of rumors about a 4.8L V8 awhile back. Maybe this is where it will get used first. The 3.5EB HO in the Raptor makes 450HP and the 3.5EB in the GT makes 647HP. A 4.8L "EcoBoost" V8 tuned for performance should have anywhere from 600 to 700 HP without even trying too hard. Sure would make a great Lightning engine too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) If turboed, this is the car that needs the Twinforce name. I love the Twinforce name. I was disappointed when they didn't use it. I hope it shows up on a high performance version of something. Edited March 29, 2017 by tbone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I doubt they would use a 5.2L, but you never know. There were a lot of rumors about a 4.8L V8 awhile back. Maybe this is where it will get used first. The 3.5EB HO in the Raptor makes 450HP and the 3.5EB in the GT makes 647HP. A 4.8L "EcoBoost" V8 tuned for performance should have anywhere from 600 to 700 HP without even trying too hard. Sure would make a great Lightning engine too... There is no 4.8 liter Coyote, that as a misconception brought about by Chinese whispers. More than likely that Ford will want to do more with the Coyote's block and heads but maybe not the flat plane Crank. Shelby already has a wicked supercharger kit for the 5.0 V8, so adding that to a 5.2 with the Ford motorsport cross plane crank. A supercharged engine packages much better for the V8s and could be a nice easy way to get a powerful engine with both a PFI and a DI fuel system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Kat Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 There is no 4.8 liter Coyote, that as a misconception brought about by Chinese whispers. More than likely that Ford will want to do more with the Coyote's block and heads but maybe not the flat plane Crank. Shelby already has a wicked supercharger kit for the 5.0 V8, so adding that to a 5.2 with the Ford motorsport cross plane crank. A supercharged engine packages much better for the V8s and could be a nice easy way to get a powerful engine with both a PFI and a DI fuel system. Yes I get the supercharged V8 packaging point but that's being done to death right now and mostly by the competition. A TT system would be absolutely amazing on a 5.0 V8. It would also fit in better with Ford's Ecoboost engine lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 There is no 4.8 liter Coyote, that as a misconception brought about by Chinese whispers. More than likely that Ford will want to do more with the Coyote's block and heads but maybe not the flat plane Crank. Shelby already has a wicked supercharger kit for the 5.0 V8, so adding that to a 5.2 with the Ford motorsport cross plane crank. A supercharged engine packages much better for the V8s and could be a nice easy way to get a powerful engine with both a PFI and a DI fuel system. There was a lot of chatter regarding a 4.8L V8. It seems to have died down since it was announced that the 18 F150 & Mustang were getting 5.0L with DI, but I haven't seen or heard anything saying that a 4.8L won't happen. What have you heard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 The only way I can see a 4.8ish sized TT V8 make any sense financially, is if they can amortize it across more than just the Mustang platform. That's just too big for a F150. But making it tough enough for heavy duty applications like the Super Duty makes sense. A mid size engine between the 6.2 NA, and the 6.7 diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Does a 4.8 make more sense in Europe than a 5.0 or 5.2 due to their engine displacement rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Does a 4.8 make more sense in Europe than a 5.0 or 5.2 due to their engine displacement rules? not really, most European countries have registration taxes based on the vehcles official CO2 output. China and Asia is different, they have capacity taxes on engines over 2 liters and again at over 3 liters. All of Mustang's sales growth in China is thanks to the 2.3 Ecoboost but youd have to wonder if something like say a 2.0 Ecoboost and a 2.7 or 3.0 Ecoboost would be better fits for the taxes currently being levied.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 There was a lot of chatter regarding a 4.8L V8. It seems to have died down since it was announced that the 18 F150 & Mustang were getting 5.0L with DI, but I haven't seen or heard anything saying that a 4.8L won't happen. What have you heard? i thing some of the reporters got their wires crossed, the 3.5 V6 was downsized to a new PFDI 3.3 V6 and the 5.0 V8 continues with PFDI and new 10-speed auto trans. Someone with knowledge on the sibject has advised that there's a slight bore change to the 5.0 but only to get it closer to the actual 5,000 cc mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Yes I get the supercharged V8 packaging point but that's being done to death right now and mostly by the competition. A TT system would be absolutely amazing on a 5.0 V8. It would also fit in better with Ford's Ecoboost engine lineup. Given the projected power output either a S/C or TT engine would suit and I'm not torn either way. What this will come down to is sheer practicality and the S/C packaging has always won the day and without volume justification like the TT EB V6, I don't think a TT V8 will get a start. My bet is the GT500 goes from a S/C 5.8 down to a S/C 5.2 Cross plane Voodoo ,built down the same mini-line It's simple, logical extension to existing manufacturing and applying already developed systems. Edited March 29, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Was just on the phone briefly with my contact who has seen it already. Will talk tomorrow and see if I can get the engine out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Does a 4.8 make more sense in Europe than a 5.0 or 5.2 due to their engine displacement rules? You can't even buy the GT350 in the EU...so wouldn't make sense anyways. I'm assuming its an NA regional specific vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 You can't even buy the GT350 in the EU...so wouldn't make sense anyways. I'm assuming its an NA regional specific vehicle. A few countries in the Middle East import them too, I saw a few with arabic stickers on them when I was at FRAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 A few countries in the Middle East import them too, I saw a few with arabic stickers on them when I was at FRAP. As I was posting that, I had that thought, I wonder how many are made for that market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) http://www.goodfoodrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/kirk-chokes-on-bad-wine.jpg Too...much...spoiler Edited April 3, 2017 by atomcat68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) There is no 4.8 liter Coyote, that as a misconception brought about by Chinese whispers. More than likely that Ford will want to do more with the Coyote's block and heads but maybe not the flat plane Crank. Shelby already has a wicked supercharger kit for the 5.0 V8, so adding that to a 5.2 with the Ford motorsport cross plane crank. A supercharged engine packages much better for the V8s and could be a nice easy way to get a powerful engine with both a PFI and a DI fuel system. The 5.2's 3.700" bore makes it a less than desirable high boost platform. There's very little sealing surface between the cylinders and less cylinder wall thickness/support to keep the cylinders round over the long haul. The 5.2 would probably work for 750 crank HP, but the GT500 needs headroom to grow reliably. A Coyote based engine with the Coyote's stroke and something closer to the 4.6's 3.552" bore diameter actually makes a lot of sense from a strength/durability perspective. I hope the GT500 gets a 4.8 Coyote, that would make a fantastic foundation for big, reliable power. If it gets GT350 heads and a halfway decent set of turbos the Hellcat won't stand a chance, and it's just a tune away from outpowering the Demon. Edited April 6, 2017 by White99GT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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