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#1 OFFLINE   Ron W.

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 11:21 PM

For the Ram Promaster and the Promaster city.  When I saw the vehicles my thought was Transit and Transit Connect

 

Connection ? Competition ? Copying ?


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 03:44 AM

I saw one IRL recently, definitely reminded me of the Transit.


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 04:32 AM

For the Ram Promaster and the Promaster city.  When I saw the vehicles my thought was Transit and Transit Connect
 
Connection ? Competition ? Copying ?


Euro vans from FIAT. Add Sprinter and Metris to the list.
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Posted 10 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

Euro vans from FIAT. Add Sprinter and Metris to the list.

 

 

...and they've been around forever.  It's not a matter of copying, it is more like this is how things are overseas and now everyone is bringing them over here.


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 06:29 PM

The Fiat bread box arrived around the same time as the transit if not before, right?

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:42 AM

The Fiat bread box arrived around the same time as the transit if not before, right?


Promaster arrived in Canada before the Transit. The ProMaster City and Nissan/Chevy NV200 have arrived within the past 12-18 months. Well after the TC.
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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:59 AM

Yeah, by breadbox I meant the full size. I'm seeing more and more of the ungainly things due to the USPS using them.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:30 AM

Promaster arrived in Canada before the Transit. The ProMaster City and Nissan/Chevy NV200 have arrived within the past 12-18 months. Well after the TC.

 

 

Ram Promaster City intro'd in January 2014 as a 2015 model, so more like 3 years, but still well after (Ford 2010 in NA).



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 11:09 AM

 
 
Ram Promaster City intro'd in January 2014 as a 2015 model, so more like 3 years, but still well after (Ford 2010 in NA).


Right you are.

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#10 OFFLINE   Ron W.

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

Euro vans from FIAT. Add Sprinter and Metris to the list.

 

 

 

 

 this is how things are overseas and now everyone is bringing them over here.

 

I think the problem has been located.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:45 AM

The Ram Promaster is pretty horrible from reviews I've seen of it..its a FWD Large Van. I think they are making in-roads to the market by pricing it cheap. We'll see how it does, but I think it will wind up like the Nissan NV. 


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:45 AM

Welcome to a few years ago, ;-)

 

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:06 AM

The Ram Promaster is pretty horrible from reviews I've seen of it..its a FWD Large Van. I think they are making in-roads to the market by pricing it cheap. We'll see how it does, but I think it will wind up like the Nissan NV. 

 

Funny you say that. I drove by a local plumbing business recently and they had 3 NV in their company colors but with the decals removed parked in front of their office with 'FOR SALE' decals in the windshields. They had brand new Transit further in the lot.

 

I wonder why they traded them all so soon.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:41 PM

 
Funny you say that. I drove by a local plumbing business recently and they had 3 NV in their company colors but with the decals removed parked in front of their office with 'FOR SALE' decals in the windshields. They had brand new Transit further in the lot.
 
I wonder why they traded them all so soon.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:01 PM

The Nissan V8 is really hard on gas in real world use.

 

Make sense. Is it the only engine option?


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:40 PM

 
Make sense. Is it the only engine option?


Cant speak to US, but in Canada Titan half ton is V8 crew cab only. NV full size van is V8 or 4.0 V6 in the half ton. The 4.0 is also known as a thirsty engine.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:36 PM

The Nissan V8 is really hard on gas in real world use.

 

 

Cant speak to US, but in Canada Titan half ton is V8 crew cab only. NV full size van is V8 or 4.0 V6 in the half ton. The 4.0 is also known as a thirsty engine.

 

If these are commercial vehicles the MPG rating would just be another tax write off. I would think that a/any company would be more interested in reliability. And yes I'm aware that maintenance is also a write off, but if the wheels aren't tuning you ain't earning. 


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:02 AM

 
 
 
If these are commercial vehicles the MPG rating would just be another tax write off. I would think that a/any company would be more interested in reliability. And yes I'm aware that maintenance is also a write off, but if the wheels aren't tuning you ain't earning. 

Yeah. Ok. Clearly you are operating a small contracting company.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:34 AM

 

 

 

If these are commercial vehicles the MPG rating would just be another tax write off. I would think that a/any company would be more interested in reliability. And yes I'm aware that maintenance is also a write off, but if the wheels aren't tuning you ain't earning. 

 

It's not just a write-off, it's money out of pocket.

 

Would you rather give the government 35% of the 10% you save on gas and keep the other 6.5% for yourself, or spend all of that on gas so you can write it off?

 

And I've got some experience with the Nissan NV vans, there is absolutely nothing to recommend them unless they are dirt cheap--or you value 0-30 times in a van. They are poorly built, poor handling, thirsty and noisy things.

 

It's not that they are unreliable as such--as in they'll be continually in the shop and undriveable--it's that little things on them are often out of sorts. One example with the NV I dealt with--the windshield wiper comes loose from the pin it's on, and stops working. This is a known issue when you, say, try to use the wipers to clear snow off your windshield. Nissan tech fixed it in like five minutes and showed me how to fix it myself.

 

I can completely understand why that contractor would swap out NVs for Transits. That makes all the sense in the world.


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