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#21 OFFLINE   akirby

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:19 PM

2015 Mustang, depending on your definition of all-new.

 

Cars help amortize crossover platforms.   And a good C and C/D car would easily yield 200K - 300K a year at a reasonable profit on a shared platform.

 

I think they would do best with RAM full-sized and mid-sized trucks and full and mid-sized vans and leaving Dodge to cover cars, crossovers and Pacifica to go along with Jeep.   Jettison the rest.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:19 PM

Well, Ford last all-new car besides Continental was the current Fusion.... . If everyone's buying trucks and utilities and the full-size cars are to get a new platform FCA may not be as behind as thought.

 

Name the passenger cars that Ford has canceled.


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:24 PM

 

Name the passenger cars that Ford has canceled.

 

Cougar and Panthers.   All the rest were replaced with something newer.   Continental -> LS -> Zephyr -> MKZ.   Taurus -> Five Hundred -> Taurus.  Escort -> Focus.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:34 PM

 

Cougar and Panthers.   All the rest were replaced with something newer.   Continental -> LS -> Zephyr -> MKZ.   Taurus -> Five Hundred -> Taurus.  Escort -> Focus.

 

 

If you're going that far back than Contour is the most significant passenger sedan that Ford dropped without a successor (at least for 6 years).  Taurus really had two successors (Fusion and Five Hundred) but not a direct successor.  I also think it's a stretch to say LS was a successor to Continental since it was considerably smaller and was sold alongside it for a period.  

 

So yeah, Ford has a long tumultuous product history of just dropping products and getting back to them MUCH later.

 

Nothing quite resembles Chrysler just exiting a segment like this, although Ford did it with minivans and small trucks.


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:36 PM

 
Name the passenger cars that Ford has canceled.


So they cancelled them and they had their reasons as pointed out before (not making money as the trucks).

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:41 PM

 
 
If you're going that far back than Contour is the most significant passenger sedan that Ford dropped without a successor.  Taurus really had two successors (Fusion and Five Hundred) but not a direct successor.


Wasn't Contour replaced by Escort?

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:42 PM

Wasn't Contour replaced by Escort?

You're joking right?


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:49 PM

So they cancelled them and they had their reasons as pointed out before (not making money as the trucks).

 

What, exactly, is your point?

 

I posted a remark saying that FCA's passenger car line was shrinking.

 

And your response above is basically, 'FCA's passenger car line is shrinking.'

 

Why are you trying to simultaneously agree with me and argue with me?


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:54 PM

So they cancelled them and they had their reasons as pointed out before (not making money as the trucks).

 

And you don't see a problem with a company that can't make money selling cars in the US, especially with a nameplate as old as Dodge and Chrysler?



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:55 PM

 

 

So yeah, Ford has a long tumultuous product history of just dropping products and getting back to them MUCH later.

 

Your conclusion is based on the Contour. And nothing else.


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 02:08 PM

I forgot about Contour.   Although at the time Taurus and Focus covered the market ok since Taurus was more C/D sized than full-sized.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 02:08 PM

 

Your conclusion is based on the Contour. And nothing else.

 

Exaggeration is his middle name.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 02:14 PM

 
And you don't see a problem with a company that can't make money selling cars in the US, especially with a nameplate as old as Dodge and Chrysler?


I never said it was no problem, just FCA would make more money on utilities and trucks. Chrysler line in cars would be the 300 and maybe a compact with the minivan and CUVs for the rest. Dodge cars and CUVs will be performance with the rest of CDJR CUVs/trucks. Personally a single factory made Dart/200 with technology and turbo 4s would sure up the car line, who knows maybe that in the works.

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 02:31 PM

 
Cougar and Panthers.   All the rest were replaced with something newer.   Continental -> LS -> Zephyr -> MKZ.   Taurus -> Five Hundred -> Taurus.  Escort -> Focus.

Can you really count the Panthers since they were around for so long?

What? What happened?


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 02:36 PM

Wasn't Contour replaced by Escort?

Uh, No™ Escort predates the Contour by about 15 years and both were sold concurrently.

What? What happened?


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 02:38 PM

I never said it was no problem, just FCA would make more money on utilities and trucks. Chrysler line in cars would be the 300 and maybe a compact with the minivan and CUVs for the rest. Dodge cars and CUVs will be performance with the rest of CDJR CUVs/trucks. Personally a single factory made Dart/200 with technology and turbo 4s would sure up the car line, who knows maybe that in the works.

 

You're not reading between the lines.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 03:34 PM

 
You're not reading between the lines.


"I never said it was no problem".

This company been in trouble since the 70's, Now if/when they go completely belly-up then wholesale gloating can happen.

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 03:46 PM

"I never said it was no problem".

This company been in trouble since the 70's, Now if/when they go completely belly-up then wholesale gloating can happen.

 

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:16 PM

Maybe FCA will add electrification or hybrid technology to enhance Hellcat's performance and efficiency? That's the future of ultra powerful cars. Mr. Demon will meet Reddy Kilowatt. The sparks coming out of Reddy's head look kind of demon like, haha.  :)

 

Otherwise, this new Hellcat topping car seems pointless.

 

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:33 PM

 
Fgts: Disagreeing with the last post in the thread, regardless of logical consistency, since 2010.


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