rmc523 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 If you're going that far back than Contour is the most significant passenger sedan that Ford dropped without a successor. Taurus really had two successors (Fusion and Five Hundred) but not a direct successor. Wasn't Contour replaced by Escort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Wasn't Contour replaced by Escort? You're joking right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 So they cancelled them and they had their reasons as pointed out before (not making money as the trucks). What, exactly, is your point? I posted a remark saying that FCA's passenger car line was shrinking. And your response above is basically, 'FCA's passenger car line is shrinking.' Why are you trying to simultaneously agree with me and argue with me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 So they cancelled them and they had their reasons as pointed out before (not making money as the trucks). And you don't see a problem with a company that can't make money selling cars in the US, especially with a nameplate as old as Dodge and Chrysler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 So yeah, Ford has a long tumultuous product history of just dropping products and getting back to them MUCH later. Your conclusion is based on the Contour. And nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I forgot about Contour. Although at the time Taurus and Focus covered the market ok since Taurus was more C/D sized than full-sized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Your conclusion is based on the Contour. And nothing else. Exaggeration is his middle name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 And you don't see a problem with a company that can't make money selling cars in the US, especially with a nameplate as old as Dodge and Chrysler? I never said it was no problem, just FCA would make more money on utilities and trucks. Chrysler line in cars would be the 300 and maybe a compact with the minivan and CUVs for the rest. Dodge cars and CUVs will be performance with the rest of CDJR CUVs/trucks. Personally a single factory made Dart/200 with technology and turbo 4s would sure up the car line, who knows maybe that in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Cougar and Panthers. All the rest were replaced with something newer. Continental -> LS -> Zephyr -> MKZ. Taurus -> Five Hundred -> Taurus. Escort -> Focus. Can you really count the Panthers since they were around for so long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Wasn't Contour replaced by Escort? Uh, No Escort predates the Contour by about 15 years and both were sold concurrently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I never said it was no problem, just FCA would make more money on utilities and trucks. Chrysler line in cars would be the 300 and maybe a compact with the minivan and CUVs for the rest. Dodge cars and CUVs will be performance with the rest of CDJR CUVs/trucks. Personally a single factory made Dart/200 with technology and turbo 4s would sure up the car line, who knows maybe that in the works. You're not reading between the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 You're not reading between the lines. "I never said it was no problem". This company been in trouble since the 70's, Now if/when they go completely belly-up then wholesale gloating can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 "I never said it was no problem". This company been in trouble since the 70's, Now if/when they go completely belly-up then wholesale gloating can happen. Fgts: Disagreeing with the last post in the thread, regardless of logical consistency, since 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Maybe FCA will add electrification or hybrid technology to enhance Hellcat's performance and efficiency? That's the future of ultra powerful cars. Mr. Demon will meet Reddy Kilowatt. The sparks coming out of Reddy's head look kind of demon like, haha. Otherwise, this new Hellcat topping car seems pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Fgts: Disagreeing with the last post in the thread, regardless of logical consistency, since 2010. Same for you buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Maybe FCA will add electrification or hybrid technology to enhance Hellcat's performance and efficiency? That's the future of ultra powerful cars. Mr. Demon will meet Reddy Kilowatt. The sparks coming out of Reddy's head look kind of demon like, haha. Otherwise, this new Hellcat topping car seems pointless. That thing is scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 That thing is scary! We have a version of Willie Wiredhand, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Your conclusion is based on the Contour. And nothing else. Like most bullies on the internet, you're pretty good at attacking when somebody corrects you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Like most bullies on the internet, you're pretty good at attacking when somebody corrects you. Oh please. You post incorrect and exaggerated crap every day so don't play the passive aggressive victim thing when you get called on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Like most bullies on the internet, you're pretty good at attacking when somebody corrects you. Discounting overlaps for products that were being phased out, over the past FIFTY YEARS, gaps in coverage in red. SUBCOMPACT Fiesta > (10 year lag, give or take) > Festiva > Aspire (10 year lag, give or take) > Fiesta COMPACT Pinto > Escort > Focus COMPACT/MIDSIZE Falcon > Maverick > Fairmont > Tempo > Contour (six year lag) > Fusion MIDSIZE/FULL SIZE Fairlane > Torino > Elite > Granada > LTD > Taurus > Five Hundred/Taurus FULL SIZE Full Size (LTD/Galaxie/XL) > Crown Victoria (discontinued) LINCOLN Continental > Town Car > MKS > Continental Versailles > Continental > LS > Zephyr/MKZ Any number of coupes have been discontinued (Mark series, Thunderbirds, two door variants of midsize & full size sedans) So, the 'chaotic' Ford sedan lineup has consisted of, well, a huge gap in the subcompact segment, and a six year lag in which the Taurus was the only car between the "C" and "E" segments. Edited January 14, 2017 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 So I guess, I was wrong, Borg, your conclusion was based on the Contour and the Fiesta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 This is getting mind numbing. The difference between Ford and FCA is that FCA discontinued EVERY sedan up to full size with no plans whatsoever for replacement despite strict fuel economy standards and no back up plan in case consumer taste shifts. Out of the two full sized sedans, one is likely to be discontinued leaving their "mainstream" brand with only a minivan to sell and the other sedan is still pretty up in the air due to the fact they change their product planing on a weekly basis. FCA has nothing in the pipeline to fill that gap between subcompact to full sized. And the full sized sedan market is the smallest and shrinking by the largest margin in the market place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 so in relation to this thread, the criticism is that FCA is launching a more powerful car instead of focusing on its problems..Is that it in a nutshell? Frankly, I doubt that Sergio has left any funds spare for Chrysler or Dodge do anything more than specials. Fiat raped the crap out of Chryslers coffers and we wonder why North American operations are folding up.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 "the full sized sedan market is the smallest and shrinking by the largest margin in the market place". On a side note one reason a car market shrink is that nobody invest in said market as seen with small trucks. Look what Continental is doing after MKS flopped, Lacrosse and Impala sales are picking up after the model switch over and the fleet model was cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) On a side note one reason a car market shrink is that nobody invest in said market as seen with small trucks. Look what Continental is doing after MKS flopped, Lacrosse and Impala sales are picking up after the model switch over and the fleet model was cancelled. That's not really backed up by GM's 2016 sales figures LaCrosse 2015.....42,035 2016.....27,582 (-34.4%) Impala 2015.....116,825 2016......97,006 (-17.0%) Granted, fleet sales have reduced with ending of Limited Impala but evidence is there that after ending the fleet only Limited, GM is now selling into daily rentals, jsut not as much. While cars and in particular large cars have their place, they are quickly becoming a niche product. They can survive if those mostly retail buyer needs are met and suitable prices charged. The receding large car market is not caused by lack of investment, it's because buyers are less interested that car makers feel less inclined to invest anything more than token refreshes, the main action is now utilities. Edited January 16, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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