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#21 OFFLINE   Fgts

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 06:50 PM

 

Not like the SS was sales success with selling less than 500 units a month!

 

I don't forsee a non-luxury RWD sedan doing all that well with the changes in the automotive market place and the demand for CUVs

 

Charger?, (somewhat) 300?.









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#22 ONLINE   fuzzymoomoo

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 06:55 PM

 
Charger?, (somewhat) 300?.

They do alright but even there sales are tracking down

What? What happened?


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:06 PM

This is the car that a lot people want Ford to make... decent sized RWD sedan (well this one is hatch but the Genesis version will be a sedan) with V6 engine with reasonable (I'm guessing this one will start in the high $30k range) price tag.


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#24 OFFLINE   silvrsvt

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:34 AM

This is the car that a lot people want Ford to make... decent sized RWD sedan (well this one is hatch but the Genesis version will be a sedan) with V6 engine with reasonable (I'm guessing this one will start in the high $30k range) price tag.

 

From the comments I've seen on other sites, they are expecting it to be in the 40-50K range. 

 

Unless your an luxury marquire or have a cheap model you fleet out (aka Charger) I don't see this being successful...heck Ford has had ~$4500 rebate on the SHO for most of its production run and thats dead smack in the middle of the price range this car will be in. 


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:39 AM

The mainstream compact and midsize sedans have peaked out and it will be the first segment to decline in the move to mainstream SUVs.  Ford believes this so much that they eliminated a tremendous amount of capacity for Fusion and Focus by the end of the decade and canceled a plant in the middle of construction.  

 

Luxury cars are another thing, they still sell in VERY low numbers and growing modestly, but their profits and traditional customer base are very different and more profitable.

 

I dont think the KIA Stinger has a chance in hell of doing anything meaningful, it's a completely odd-ball product targeting an audience that Kia simply doesn't have.  



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:59 AM

I wish Kia would change their logo.....hard to take them more seriously for me when their logo is 3 block letters in an oval.

 

especially because it reminds me of Killed In Action.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:17 PM

 

 

I dont think the KIA Stinger has a chance in hell of doing anything meaningful, it's a completely odd-ball product targeting an audience that Kia simply doesn't have.  

 

It is pretty surprising that they are going through with this considering that the K-900 completely failed.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:27 PM

 

It is pretty surprising that they are going through with this considering that the K-900 completely failed.

 

Selling 5 of them a year isn't a success?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:48 PM

 

Selling 5 of them a year isn't a success?

 

 

You aren't far off!

http://www.goodcarba...usa-canada.html

834 total sold in the US. 26 in Canada


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:13 PM

 

Selling 5 of them a year isn't a success?

 

Only if you are Alfa Romeo.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:22 PM

 

 

You aren't far off!

http://www.goodcarba...usa-canada.html

834 total sold in the US. 26 in Canada

 

That's 70 a month.  Almost Alfa level bad......though at least the K-900 didn't have lofty expectations.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:24 PM

 

From the comments I've seen on other sites, they are expecting it to be in the 40-50K range. 

 

Unless your an luxury marquire or have a cheap model you fleet out (aka Charger) I don't see this being successful...heck Ford has had ~$4500 rebate on the SHO for most of its production run and thats dead smack in the middle of the price range this car will be in. 

 

I said a lot of people wanted Ford to make this car... I didn't say the car makes sense for Ford ;)

 

Kia has the benefit of having Genesis take the lion share of the platform development costs. They are treating it as a 50-year investment to build the Genesis brand so the cost of one RWD midsize sedan is trivia in that sense. That's not Ford's strategy obviously with Lincoln.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:40 PM

Genesis is hardly making headway, still being sold at Hyundai stores, where buyers come in looking for cheap wheels.

I am thinking Genesis will end up like Sterling and Merkur brands, trivia questions,

 

And Kia is seen as "even cheaper" brand. Them trying to suddenly say "we are a luxury make too!" doesn't work, with all the "dollar store" Kias rolling around. No way will preppy-yuppies buy a Stinger to show off to their Beemer loving friends.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:51 PM

Well in Hyundai/Kia's defence...I wonder how well they are selling in the home market of South Korea?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:00 PM

Genesis is hardly making headway, still being sold at Hyundai stores, where buyers come in looking for cheap wheels.
I am thinking Genesis will end up like Sterling and Merkur brands, trivia questions,
 
And Kia is seen as "even cheaper" brand. Them trying to suddenly say "we are a luxury make too!" doesn't work, with all the "dollar store" Kias rolling around. No way will preppy-yuppies buy a Stinger to show off to their Beemer loving friends.


And pushy salesmen....i went and drove a Santa Fe and I told the sales guy specifically that I was just looking to see and not buying anything, and after their test drive loop, he was like "so you want to buy it?" With several calls the following few days asking when I wanted to come buy it.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:48 PM

Hyundai and Kia have a strong market to themselves in Korea so I think that mostly pays for their lofty goals.  Hyundai/Kia iterate extremely fast, that's definitely not the case with carmakers like Lincoln which are very slow, steady, and longterm which means they are very risk averse while Kia/Hyundai can get very experimental.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 01:10 AM

Even if the Korean luxury cars don't seel well over here, in Korea they do very well. From their point of view, why not send a few over on the ship that takes the Rio and Forte models over.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 07:12 AM

I perceive Hyundai to be a Korean version of Chrysler and KIA to be the equivalent of Dodge.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:54 AM

No way will preppy-yuppies buy a Stinger to show off to their Beemer loving friends.

 

Why are you comparing a luxury performance car to motorcycles?


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:52 AM

 

Why are you comparing a luxury performance car to motorcycles?

 

What are you talking about?


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