fuzzymoomoo Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV (0QXR.L) said it is cooperating with the government investigation that covers the 2013-2016 model year Ram 1500 pickup truck and 2014-2016 Dodge Durango SUV. The government said it has reports of 25 crashes from owners alleging vehicle roll-away and nine injuries and urged drivers to set the parking brake before exiting the vehicles. The vehicles under investigation have an electronic rotary control for driver gear selections that is different to the shifter that Fiat Chrysler recalled earlier this year for roll away issues. In April, Fiat Chrysler recalled more than 1.1 million cars and SUVs worldwide because the vehicles may roll away after drivers exit. Source: http://jalopnik.com/faraday-future-is-calling-out-reporters-on-twitter-now-1790314808 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hope Ford doesn't run into this issue with the Fusion....but it seems like the push-button transmissions in the Lincolns' aren't doing anything like this either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Or here's a better idea Stop trying to fix what's broken! Why do electronic shifters all of a sudden need to be in everything when these kinds of things didn't happen with mechanical linkages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) Why do electronic shifters all of a sudden need to be in everything when these kinds of things didn't happen with mechanical linkages? I think most transmissions dropped mechanical linkages a generation or more ago (basically, when they switched to electronic shift control). However, IMO, it's a valid question why one would design a shifter that was as confusing as the FCA one. Edited December 20, 2016 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 FWIW, F-150 (6-speed, not sure about 10-speed) Fusion (pre-2017), Focus (Both DCT and 6f transmissions) and Mustang automatic transmissions still have mechanical linkages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Since most new vehicles have hill hold and grade logic, why not just have it set the electronic parking brake anytime it's parked on a hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Since most new vehicles have hill hold and grade logic, why not just have it set the electronic parking brake anytime it's parked on a hill. Because Reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Since most new vehicles have hill hold and grade logic, why not just have it set the electronic parking brake anytime the vehicle is turned off it's parked on a hill. FTFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I figured if I said let it set the brake Everytime it's shut off, someone would say that it causes extra wear on parking brake system and makes for costly repairs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 From 2017 fusion with rotary shifter. Automatic Return to Park Note: This feature will not operate when your vehicle is in Stay in Neutral mode or neutral tow. Your vehicle has a safety feature that will automatically shift your vehicle into park (P) when any of the following conditions occur: You turn the vehicle off. You open the driver's door with your safety belt unlatched. Your safety belt is unlatched while the driver's door is open. If you turn your vehicle off while moving, your vehicle will first shift into neutral (N) until it slows down enough to shift into park (P) automatically. Note: If you have waited an extended period of time (2-15 minutes) before starting your vehicle, unlatching your safety belt will cause this feature to activate, even with the driver's door closed. Note: This feature may not work properly if the door ajar switch is malfunctioning. If your door ajar indicator does not illuminate when you open the drivers door or the indicator illuminates with the drivers door closed, see your authorized dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 So I guess the question is whether it's driver error or electronic failure. Does dodge and ram have any auto return to park features? Seems like they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) The ironic thing is that electronic shift control also allows them to build in better safe-guards, if done right of course. I love push-button in my Lincoln, I don't see the benefit of a rotary dial over a stick however since it's still an indirect way of selecting gears (you have to pass through selections to get the one you want and it requires they same degree of attention to operate). Edited December 20, 2016 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 The ironic thing is that electronic shift control also allows them to build in better safe-guards, if done right of course. I love push-button in my Lincoln, I don't see the benefit of a rotary dial over a stick however since it's still an indirect way of selecting gears (you have to pass through selections to get the one you want and it requires they same degree of attention to operate). I tend to agree. While I still don't see the necessity of making it electronically controlled, a push button is a better solution than the stupid rotary dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 This will fix it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 FWIW, F-150 (6-speed, not sure about 10-speed) Fusion (pre-2017), Focus (Both DCT and 6f transmissions) and Mustang automatic transmissions still have mechanical linkages. Bzzzzt. Try again. Just because they have mechanical shifters doesn't mean they have mechanical linkages. They've been 100% electronic for awhile now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Bzzzzt. Try again. Just because they have mechanical shifters doesn't mean they have mechanical linkages. They've been 100% electronic for awhile now. I know for fact the Mustang and Focus ones do, I've seen them both on the line, I've even worked connecting them for a day at FRAP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 But is it a direct linkage to the shifter or to the transmission controller? I know the individual gears are selected electronically not mechanically. Perhaps there is a mechanical connection for the parking pawl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 But is it a direct linkage to the shifter or to the transmission controller? I know the individual gears are selected electronically not mechanically. Perhaps there is a mechanical connection for the parking pawl? nope, there's a cable that attaches to a 'switch' of sorts on the transmission that selects the gear. Pretty sure it's the same for all 6R and 6F transmissions, except for maybe the new fusion with the rotary dial. Unsure about the 10R transmission, haven't seen one in person yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) nope, there's a cable that attaches to a 'switch' of sorts on the transmission I can see why Ford would use, for instance, a cable that would activate the switch (cheaper and more reliable than electronics), but I guess my point is that the shifter is not, through a series of cables, directly engaging gears in the transmission. There's still an electronic switch involved. Thus, on the conceptual level, the shift lever hasn't been directly connected to the physical process of engaging gears since electronic controls started. You know what I'm saying? Edited December 21, 2016 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 I can see why Ford would use, for instance, a cable that would activate the switch (cheaper and more reliable than electronics), but I guess my point is that the shifter is not, through a series of cables, directly engaging gears in the transmission. There's still an electronic switch involved. Thus, on the conceptual level, the shift lever hasn't been directly connected to the physical process of engaging gears since electronic controls started. You know what I'm saying? the switch I mentioned isn't electronic. I only called it a switch because I don't know what else to call it. It's definitely mechanical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 The important thing about static state technology is that it also makes the vehicle lighter, they are counting every ounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) the switch I mentioned isn't electronic. I only called it a switch because I don't know what else to call it. It's definitely mechanical. Well, if you put a fine enough point on it, a light switch is mechanical--as is a PRNDL dial. But that mechanical mechanism does not mechanically select gears--it sits in a variety of positions that correspond to modes of the transmission (like a light switch that can be in the on or off position). Unlike hydraulic logic transmissions (up to the mid 90s, give or take), wherein the shift cable actuated valves in the transmission. What I'm saying is that you could put the switch on the transmission into the shift lever itself, and run a wire from the shift lever to the transmission and it would function exactly as it does now--however, that would complicate the assembly process & add a potential failure point, which, I expect, is why it isn't done. Edited December 21, 2016 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Well, if you put a fine enough point on it, a light switch is mechanical--as is a PRNDL dial. But that mechanical mechanism does not mechanically select gears--it sits in a variety of positions that correspond to modes of the transmission (like a light switch that can be in the on or off position). Unlike hydraulic logic transmissions (up to the mid 90s, give or take), wherein the shift cable actuated valves in the transmission. What I'm saying is that you could put the switch on the transmission into the shift lever itself, and run a wire from the shift lever to the transmission and it would function exactly as it does now--however, that would complicate the assembly process & add a potential failure point, which, I expect, is why it isn't done. it's this simple Transmissions come down the line in neutral. I can spin the end of it by hand. I flip the switch one notch either way, I can no longer turn it by hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) If the Transmission Control Module goes out on a Focus you can't shift into Reverse or Drive because they're not mechanical linkages from the shifter to the tranny. And I can verify that from personal experience. Edited December 21, 2016 by akirby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 If the Transmission Control Module goes out on a Focus you can't shift into Reverse or Drive because they're not mechanical linkages from the shifter to the tranny. And I can verify that from personal experience. ok then maybe the DCT is electronic, but the 6F the 1.0 uses is definitely mechanical, it's virtually identical to what the Fusion uses (pre dial-a-gear shifter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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