ANTAUS Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/29/ford-focus-electric-boosts-range-by-51-albeit-quietly/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 The article is a bit disingenuous, it wasn't ever some secret to be figured out. Ford announced this several months ago. FYI launches in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddysystem Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Just stop with the half arsed efforts and produce a real electric car. We can wait for the model E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Just stop with the half arsed efforts and produce a real electric car. We can wait for the model E. How is it any less "real" than a Nissan Leaf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Relax, it's an incremental update.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 How is it any less "real" than a Nissan Leaf? It doesn't look like some sort of deformed, melted jellybean thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) As a commute car, i think the 115 mile range would be enough. Anecdotal evidence from GM suggests that a lot of Volt owners are using the car's electric range almost exclusively and rarely if ever fire up the ICE, only when the car's software makes them use up stale fuel. So I wonder, without beng critical of Ford, how much of a splash Ford expects with the improved Focus EV when they don't even bother advertising the fact....you have to keep products like this in front of buyers, not promoting them because you're saving costs almost guarantees that they wither and die. Edited November 29, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Ford isn't really trying to sell the current Focus EV. It's obviously a proof of concept/learning vehicle for the new model E platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Ford isn't really trying to sell the current Focus EV. It's obviously a proof of concept/learning vehicle for the new model E platform. not even that, the whole thing was originally developed by Magna on the previous C170 Focus and shown to Ford in 2008. a JV then followed and the whole package transferred to the C1 introduced a few years back, Magna did most of the heavy lifting using their own power and control systems while Ford supplied the car, transmission and all necessary validation for sale. Ford didn't have to retool the body which saved hundreds of millions of dollars....Link to beginnings of Focus EV... It's kind of a neat way to extend on hybrid/energi production without costing Ford a fortune and gives it valuable real world production and feedback on what works and what needs to be changed.in future EVs. Could you imagine the shit storm if Focus EV had been reworked for an under floor pan battery pack with 180-200 mile range? I suspect that this is exactly what the reworked Focus platform will permit when Focus EV gives way to Model E and Ford delivers a compact EV that leapfrogs Bolt and puts Ford into EV car central. Current price is just over $29K, so add another $5K for bigger under floor battery and presto, compact EV with price similar to Bolt......waiting for scales of efficiency will get Ford there Edited November 30, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 since I had this handy... GM’s Ready to Lose $9,000 a Pop and Chase the Electric Car BoomBloombergDavid Welch & John Lippert - November 30, 2016General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out. Sounds crazy, but......Where it’ll get interesting is over the next decade or so. The [Cali] states’ rules are set to tighten so that zero-emission vehicles, or ZEVs, will have to rise to an estimated 15.4 percent of sales by 2025, some five times the current level.The hurdles may go higher: Brown, a Democrat with two years left in his term, signed a law ordering greenhouse-gas emissions be 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2030. To get there, ZEVs, plug-in hybrids or fuel-cell cars like Honda Motor Co.’s Clarity may have to comprise 40 percent of sales, up from about 3 percent now, according to California Air Resources Board staff projections.Can that really happen? “The idea that automakers will sell 40 percent of their vehicles at a loss in California is ludicrous,” said Eric Noble, president of the CarLab, a consulting company in Orange, California, who reckons most electric cars lose at least $10,000 per sale... wondering if a future electroFord will be '''profit-negative''' too?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 And that's why Ford hasn't chased EVs. I fully expect model E to be break even at the very least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Yeah, If the Government would go ahead and stop telling consumers and manufacturers what we can buy and sell.... that'd be great. Fucking Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 For me, I am waiting for a practical EV so I can go down to one car. Once you drive an electric and the torque and silence you want it. As I regularly drive 350 miles in a day, a 400 mile range would be ideal, or having a lesser range with 350kW charging stations along my route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 The entire incentive program to purchase EV's will go away within two years and hopefully return in 2020. Big oil, with the help of the Trump administration, will once again successfully kill the electric car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 The entire incentive program to purchase EV's will go away within two years and hopefully return in 2020. Big oil, with the help of the Trump administration, will once again successfully kill the electric car. And this theory is based on what? Last I heard, it was an all the above energy strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Rumor was he was considering the current and past CEO's of Exxon Mobil for a cabinet post. I'm pretty sure we can guess what their energy priorities would be. There isn't a single person in his rouges gallery of appointments who believe in climate change or alternative energy sources. No doubt when the Federal tax break expires it will not be renewed, making EV's financially out of reach of average consumers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I guess time will tell if your theory proves correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) In the meantime, manufacturers have California and others like it to deal with regarding ZEV requirements. in the near future 14% of vehicles car makers sell there will have to be certified as ZEV, They have the choice of buying credits or selling enough vehicles to get credits, the Bolt for example get four credits per sale. So it will be interesting to see how manufacturers address this emerging issue. Do they simply wind back sales there or go at this issue with lots of cash to protect all their other sales Edited December 3, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 California is a huge market so my guess is they will not wind it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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