fuzzymoomoo Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2016/11/09/general-motors-small-car/93540444/ Lordstown (cruze) losing third shift January 23 Lansing Grand River (Caddilac CTS/ATS, Camaro) losing 810 hourly (inc. 300 temps) January 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Better late than never. Question is are they cutting back enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well there's still a second plant for the Cruze(!) so my money is on no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 bbbbbbbbuuuuuutttttt the Cruze is selling so well vs the Focus! I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but isn't the MKZ outselling the ATS or CTS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) bbbbbbbbuuuuuutttttt the Cruze is selling so well vs the Focus! I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but isn't the MKZ outselling the ATS or CTS? It's been outselling both individually for a while. I think it's getting close to outselling both combined consistently. Edited November 9, 2016 by rmc523 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 We knew that this was going to happen, Camaro inventory could be up to 40,000 by then .... Cruze, GM has tow plants feeding the market here and in Mexico, it's obvious something had to give and I'm surprised actually that Lordstown got the thumbs up for NG Cruze production, surely Mexico could handle the lot.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) It's probably wise to retain production in the US considering the uncertainty following the election, Ford is in a very precarious place with so much production exclusive to Mexico. It's probably another 'headwind' to be very concerned about with Ford's future. Edited November 9, 2016 by BORG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's probably wise to retain production in the US considering the uncertainty following the election, Ford is in a very precarious place with so much production exclusive to Mexico. It's probably another 'headwind' to be very concerned about with Ford's future. ....wow Exclusive production in Mexico? 3 products amongst 2 plants, soon it will be 3 plants. Meanwhile here back at home there's 7 plants building THE REST OF THE F*****G LINEUP.... Seriously dude, fact check yourself. I (and I'm sure others here) am getting tired of calling out and correcting your patently false statements. Do some research FFS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) ....wow Exclusive production in Mexico? 3 products amongst 2 plants, soon it will be 3 plants. Meanwhile here back at home there's 7 plants building THE REST OF THE F*****G LINEUP.... Seriously dude, fact check yourself. I (and I'm sure others here) am getting tired of calling out and correcting your patently false statements. Do some research FFS. Fusion, MKZ, MKC, Focus, Fiesta, C-Max replacement and then some (EcoSport?) by 2020. So 3 products and 2 plants you say? Did you do your research on that? Tell me how much volume that is while you're at it since you've done your research. MKC is leaving the US according to the UAW contract, and it doesn't appear in the CAW contract either, so Mexico it is unless it's being imported from China...certainly possible. Ford's manufacturing future is completely reliant on Mexico and we know Ford is the poster child for tearing up NAFTA by our new President. I'm sure it's just fine since both parties supported NAFTA but it is a campaign promise and Ford was a repeated target. Anyway...I await your well researched report. Edited November 9, 2016 by BORG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Anyway...I await your well researched report. Here's your well researched report: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/04/26/ford-invests-in-us-plants.pdf Ford has invested $12 billion in its U.S. plants and created a total of nearly 28,000 U.S. jobs in the past five years. “We are proud that Ford employs more hourly workers and builds more vehicles in the United States than any other automaker,” said Joe Hinrichs, Ford president, The Americas. “We are committed to manufacturing in the United States, as we have been for more than 100 years.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) Here's your well researched report: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/04/26/ford-invests-in-us-plants.pdf How does this relate to Ford's growing Mexico production dependency on key models? Hey, I'm completely on Ford's side here, I think they have a brilliant and tidy production strategy as I've said COUNTLESS times. It certainly didn't matter in the campaigning and it doesn't leave Ford any less vulnerable to an anti NAFTA president who has been picking on them nonstop even after Field's tried talking him down. I certainly understand why this becomes a flashpoint because those jobs weren't created here, and you certainly can't respond by "Just be glad we are keeping your jobs up here by expanding cheaper labor down there". Edited November 10, 2016 by BORG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Better late than never. Question is are they cutting back enough? Yes, GM has been pretty responsive with production planning and adjustments in the past year or so. As mentioned in the article, they cut production at the Lansing plant in 2015, added a shift at that plant to accommodate new product launch (Camaro), and are cutting back again in January 2017. As for Lordstown, I agree with jpd80 that remaining New Cruze production at that plant coupled with production at Ramos Arizpe, Rosario, and Shenyang can meet demand for the car globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 How does this relate to Ford's growing Mexico production dependency on key models? I don't know what you're talking about. Ford is moving Focus production back to Mexico. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Well all the balls are in the air again after yesterday's result, I hear Canada is building a wall...(jk) Edited November 10, 2016 by jpd80 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well, yes, Lena Dunham, Snoop Doggy Dog, Alec Baldwin and Cher have threatened to move to Canada. I'd build a wall to keep them out, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well, yes, Lena Dunham, Snoop Doggy Dog, Alec Baldwin and Cher have threatened to move to Canada. I'd build a wall to keep them out, too. + Amy Schumer and Bryan Cranston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 How does this relate to Ford's growing Mexico production dependency on key models? Hey, I'm completely on Ford's side here, I think they have a brilliant and tidy production strategy as I've said COUNTLESS times. It certainly didn't matter in the campaigning and it doesn't leave Ford any less vulnerable to an anti NAFTA president who has been picking on them nonstop even after Field's tried talking him down. I certainly understand why this becomes a flashpoint because those jobs weren't created here, and you certainly can't respond by "Just be glad we are keeping your jobs up here by expanding cheaper labor down there". I would hardly call Fiesta (and soon Focus and C-Max) "key products", especially here in North America. I might be union, but I'm not ignorant or sheepish enough to be unaware of the advantages of Mexican production, and I certainly don't like the Focus moving since it could potentially directly cost me my job despite what Mark Fields says. The truth remains that Ford has 2 assembly plants, with a third opening soon in Mexico, as well as an engine plant with a second one opening soon. Meanwhile here there's 8 assembly plants (I mis counted yesterday), as well as 4 engine plants, almost all of which make far more profitable products than the plants down in Mexico, even with the difference in labor costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I don't know what you're talking about. Ford is moving Focus production back to Mexico. Just like the Fusion right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Uh, the Fusion never left Mexico.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 + Amy Schumer and Bryan Cranston We need to keep them. The rest won't be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Uh, the Fusion never left Mexico.... You're right, no production in the US on that one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 We need to keep them. The rest won't be missed. not a fan of amy schumer, even before the political crap. I don't find her the least bit funny. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 not a fan of amy schumer, even before the political crap. I don't find her the least bit funny. I think she's hilarious but I like that kind of humor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 She can leave. I don't need people that make rediculous statements when things don't go the way they think it should. It was completely lame and anti-American. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 + Amy Schumer and Bryan Cranston Amy Schumer has already recanted. She said she was just joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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