Fgts Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) John Dn response to rumors about cuts to the Cadillac program development, some of the stuff he mentioned was; -XTS will be redesigned rather then die. -Flagship would probably be a coupe. -A big cuv under Escalade is coming. -A small cuv under the XT5 is coming. -CT6 will borrow heavily off of Escala concept. -CTS and ATS get new names. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/08/president-johan-de-nysschen-responds-to-cadillac-product-portfolio-cuts/ Edited August 28, 2016 by Fgts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 John Dn response to rumors about cuts to the Cadillac program development, some of the stuff he mentioned was; -XTS will be redesigned then die. -Flagship would probably be a coupe. -A big cuv under Escalade is coming. -A small cuv the XT5 is coming. -CT6 will borrow heavily off of Escala concept. -CTS and ATS get new names. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/08/president-johan-de-nysschen-responds-to-cadillac-product-portfolio-cuts/ These are the quotes from the article: We ARE planning a Cadillac flagship which will NOT be a 4 door sedan; We ARE planning a large crossover beneath Escalade; We ARE planning a compact crossover beneath XT5; We ARE planning a comprehensive enhancement to CT6 later during life cycle; We ARE planning a major refresh for XTS; We ARE planning a new Lux 3 sedan entry; We ARE planning a new Lux 2 sedan entry; The flagship could also be a CUV, the one below the Escalade. But if it is not a 4 door, I'd expect it to be a sports car (maybe a Caddy version of the mid engined Corvette) rather than a coupe based off a sedan which would be a sales suicide as the sedan versions are hard to sell. I expected the Escala to be a CTS replacement rather than a car on top of the line up. and the refresh of cT6 will be escala-ized Is Lux3 the CTS replacement and Lux2 the ATS replacement? or is 3 the ATS and 2 the rumored "size below"? The XTS is a refresh. I'd imagine that is a grille job and a few other useless changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Caddy-vette is more of a halo car than a flagship to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 What's the deal with Cadillac's elongated LED daytime running light strips? I think they look ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 What about a super-lux SUV above Escalade? People are already willing to pay big dollars for an Escalade. Big SUVs are were the money is at and would make sense as a flagship in today's market. I can't see a two door, sports car or coupe, being relevant enough to call a flagship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 These are the quotes from the article: We ARE planning a Cadillac flagship which will NOT be a 4 door sedan; We ARE planning a large crossover beneath Escalade; We ARE planning a compact crossover beneath XT5; We ARE planning a comprehensive enhancement to CT6 later during life cycle; We ARE planning a major refresh for XTS; We ARE planning a new Lux 3 sedan entry; We ARE planning a new Lux 2 sedan entry; The flagship could also be a CUV, the one below the Escalade. But if it is not a 4 door, I'd expect it to be a sports car (maybe a Caddy version of the mid engined Corvette) rather than a coupe based off a sedan which would be a sales suicide as the sedan versions are hard to sell. Most likely IMO it would be the XLRs return in the Zora's M/E body. A smaller-then-Escalade "flagship" CUV just won't chime right like the Escalade do. I expected the Escala to be a CTS replacement rather than a car on top of the line up. and the refresh of cT6 will be escala-ized No, the Escala is bigger then the CT6, the upcoming CTS replacement (CT5) will no doubt have Escala cues. I think GM had a discussion with JdN and IMO the CT8 became the next-gen CT6 redesign. Is Lux3 the CTS replacement and Lux2 the ATS replacement? or is 3 the ATS and 2 the rumored "size below"? The "Lux 1-2" are the ATS and CTS replacements, they been renamed CT4,CT5. The XTS is a refresh. I'd imagine that is a grille job and a few other useless changes. Yea, now that i read it again but why waste money on a dying car?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wow, that's a lot of money to spend on products when it looks like we're heading into a slow down. I hope GM knows what it's doing by favoring Cadillac over increasing Buick and GMC product lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Wow, that's a lot of money to spend on products when it looks like we're heading into a slow down. I hope GM knows what it's doing by favoring Cadillac over increasing Buick and GMC product lines. Yep, surely GM isn't spending any money on Lacrosse, Regal and their truck/CUV line-up...... Edited August 28, 2016 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Reading comprehension, I said increasing Buick and GMC lines and favoring one brand over another is not completely denying funding to the others. It's fine to spend money judiciously on Cadillac but there's less risk in doing that by expanding Buick and GMC and those product channels reach a whole lot more buyers and give quicker ROI than Cadillac ever will. Edited August 28, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 What the heck is the point of doing a 'major refresh' of the XTS, and an updated CTS (with a new name) while selling the CT6 and making another sedan even larger than the CT6? Why does Cadillac need four sedans in the midsize/fullsize segment? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Reading comprehension, I said increasing Buick and GMC lines and favoring one brand over another is not completely denying funding to the others. It's fine to spend money judiciously on Cadillac but there's less risk in doing that by expanding Buick and GMC and those product channels reach a whole lot more buyers and give quicker ROI than Cadillac ever will. Who says they not expanding Buick/GMC?, just Cadillac's head talked products that were coming, not Buick/GMC. I know there's more then one Regal variant coming from Buick at the least and a dedicated off-road vehicle from GMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Who said there was going to be a sedan larger than CT6? There is no CT8 coming. But also, the complaint about Buick/GMC not getting more products is typical GM divisional rivalry. Expecting one's favorite to get the same stuff' as others, as if they are competing with each other and not the rest of the car industry. That is why they couldn't keep the original 5 makes going. "Where's ours?" every time another brand got an exclusive vehicle. Leading to the bland badge jobs, since they could only afford differing grilles/lights. then spend marketing cash to claim that an Olds/Pontiac/etc. version of a Chevy was somehow "better"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Who said there was going to be a sedan larger than CT6? There is no CT8 coming. There's been talk of it for some time, and the Escala is bigger than CT6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) The XTS is probably to take on the cheap Continental and maintain it's core demographic (actually both exist because it's a good market in the US). I think Caddy is now learning they don't want to give that up anymore in order to pursue Germany. But 2019 is quite sometime away. I do get a sense that they have a more practical direction and admitting change is needed with new design and crossovers. Edited August 29, 2016 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 XTS sells well to livery agencies, now that the Panther Town Car is gone and aged out of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 The XTS is probably to take on the cheap Continental and maintain it's core demographic (actually both exist because it's a good market in the US). I think Caddy is now learning they don't want to give that up anymore in order to pursue Germany. But 2019 is quite sometime away. I do get a sense that they have a more practical direction and admitting change is needed with new design and crossovers. Some of this re-decision no doubt came from Detroit of keeping XTS and merging CT6/CT8 into 22'-23' CT6. Cadillac would probably find its niche as they do with Escalade and XT5, ATS is hitting its stride now as Caddy's bestselling car. IMO I'm glad I can walk in a Cadillac dealer to find a big rwd sedan for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'll believe it when I see it. If this plan does come to fruition, it will leave Cadillac with several sedans when sales of conventional sedans are stagnant, at best. Cadillac is having a tough time selling the sedans it does have. Why would customers suddenly start buying new versions of Cadillac sedans? At any rate, as Henry Ford I once said - "You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Johan seems to be obsessed with cars and hates SUVs. Too bad his customers don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Johan seems to be obsessed with cars and hates SUVs. Too bad his customers don't agree. Infiniti is pretty utility heavy and has more CUV and SUV models than cars. But then again, he didn't hang his hat for very long over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Infiniti is pretty utility heavy and has more CUV and SUV models than cars. But then again, he didn't hang his hat for very long over there. His only contributions to Infinity were the goofy naming system and a sports car concept that Nissan killed, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 His only contributions to Infinity were the goofy naming system and a sports car concept that Nissan killed, right? There was that Eau Rouge thing. I don't think he was there long enough to really credit him with much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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