Anthony Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Source: Car and Driver The Camry will ride on Toyota’s new TNGA modular platform that made its production debut with the 2016 Prius and which will provide the basis for about half of Toyota’s vehicles by decade’s end. The TNGA bits have done wonders to tidy up the Prius’s dynamics, so we’re cautiously optimistic for the Camry when it makes the switch as well. Weight-reduction measures also are part of the plan, and we’ve heard that aluminum is being used for the hood and sundry other places in the structure. More at link above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Wow - this may actually be a NEW platform for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Wow - this may actually be a NEW platform for a change. TNGA is completely new. Currently, Toyota builds approximately 100 different platform variants for vehicles worldwide. TNGA is part of a strategy to dramatically simplify the design, engineering, and manufacture of future Toyota automobiles via modular construction using a standardized, interchangeable set of parts. It's similar in concept to Volkswagen's MQB platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Advanced platform modularization is an area were Ford seems to have allot of open skepticism which is why we aren't seeing any future Ford platforms developed this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Advanced platform modularization is an area were Ford seems to have allot of open skepticism which is why we aren't seeing any future Ford platforms developed this way. Say what? There are lots of parts shared between the C and CD platforms. Do keep in mind Ford just went through a major platform consolidation in the past 5 years or so. If Ford is going to start cutting back on the amount of platforms, we won't see that for another 5 years so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) I wonder if CD6 is going down this road? It was hinted at in the media article where it was called D6. And there is a new C platform coming as well - perhaps they're both modular? Edited June 30, 2016 by akirby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 One Toyota? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 This was news for awhile that the Camry was going module, don't know what's the shock for. A new Supra being tested?, that's news... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The shock is that Camry gets an all new platform. Despite what Biker thinks that hasn't happened in a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) The shock is that Camry gets an all new platform. Despite what Biker thinks that hasn't happened in a long time. They doing this as an initial thing but as like the current Camry they'll milk the TNGA platform as long as possible. Edited July 1, 2016 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 And every so often they'll give it a different platform name to make people think it's new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) I wonder though just how much global product Ford covers with C1 and CD4, two platform that are in a lot of respects kissing cousins with similar design, build process and supplier base. I wonder if Ford"modular" architecture is staring us right in the face without anyone ever knowing because we focus on the differences instead of all the things that are are either common or slightly varied.. ...all the things that save Ford money on a recurring basis. Edited July 1, 2016 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I wonder if CD6 is going down this road? It was hinted at in the media article where it was called D6. And there is a new C platform coming as well - perhaps they're both modular? The savings of modular architecture are in lower reoccurring product development cost and not in lower manufacturing costs though increased economies of scale. Ford has to figure out how to properly support the products it has and can't play the game of guessing which product/segment to neglect or not to neglect. Ford's problem is the costs of Developing 2 modular architectures is ~ 4-5 billion each, and the payback of that investment would be between 8-12 years. From my experience with Ford the bean counters would have a big problem with a payback period that long. Say what? There are lots of parts shared between the C and CD platforms. Do keep in mind Ford just went through a major platform consolidation in the past 5 years or so. If Ford is going to start cutting back on the amount of platforms, we won't see that for another 5 years so. What parts are shared between C and CD platforms? Does part sharing = modular? What major platform consolidation happened over the last 5 years? The shock is that Camry gets an all new platform. Despite what Biker thinks that hasn't happened in a long time. when did i say that? They doing this as an initial thing but as like the current Camry they'll milk the TNGA platform as long as possible. It may be their last platform. much like Windows 10, the future of TGNA will be major tweaks not a clean sheet platform. this has qualitly been happening with luxury car platform for years. everything is an evolution and not a revolution. I wonder though just how much global product Ford covers with C1 and CD4, two platform that are in a lot of respects kissing cousins with similar design, build process and supplier base. I wonder if Ford"modular" architecture is staring us right in the face without anyone ever knowing because we focus on the differences instead of all the things that are are either common or slightly varied.. ...all the things that save Ford money on a recurring basis. C1 and CD4 are not modular, they are flexible but not modular you cannot plug a CD4 floor pan into a C2 frontal structure or vice versa. The nagging issue with C2 is that Ford kept the critical hard points from C170 on C1 to save money on retooling, this has made it difficult to make a more spacious Cabin. In fact they have never been produced together on the same line. jeez Ford has problem producing C1 products on the same line. #shorttermthinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Ford still has a long way to go before it has caught up with VW or Toyota (or even GM) in terms of platform consolidation. Ford has many aging platforms and products and many of them are unrelated to each other. That has been VERY slowly changing in the last decade but it will take the rest of this decade before we have gotten to a competitive standpoint in terms of consolidating all the products that should be inter-related. Ultimately, Ford had allot more work to do before it's in a position to look at the next platform phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) In fact they have never been produced together on the same line. jeez Ford has problem producing C1 products on the same line. #shorttermthinkingHow many lines does/did Genk have? NM - Thought C30 was at Ford Genk, didn't realize Volvo had thier own plant there. Edited July 3, 2016 by sullynd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 What major platform consolidation happened over the last 5 years? The elimination of US and EU specific platforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The elimination of US and EU specific platforms. To wit Focus, Fusion, Escape, Transit. No small task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) jeez Ford has problem producing C1 products on the same line. #shorttermthinking Ford had no problem building C1 Focus, Mazda3, and S40 on the same line in China. Ford had no problem building C1 Focus and Mazda3 on the same line in Thailand. Ford had no problem building C1 Focus, Mazda3, and I-Max, Mazda5 on the same line in Taiwan. Don't confuse production decisions due to logistic, utilization, or sales and marketing reasons with engineering or manufacturing capability. If Mazda didn't have an otherwise empty plant in Hiroshima (and likewise Volvo with Nedcar), I'm sure Ford could have assembled all those cars in Mexico, Germany, Argentina, or Michigan as well. Did it make sense to build S40/V50 in Saarlouis when it was already nearly maxed out building Focus, C-Max, and Kuga? Did it make sense to build Mazda3 in Michigan when importing from Japan was nearly as expensive but Mazda had the advantage of having all its accounting done in its native currency in Yen? Edited July 5, 2016 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 "Ford has to figure out, blah, blah, blah...." Ford is doing fine, why all the whining just because some in the US can't buy a manual trans wagon [in brown]? ;-) "Ford has a long way to go to catch VW or even GM" God I hope they never end up like them!! VW has 15 billion to pay for diesels and GM went BK!! Maybe ideal compete with Toyota, but they get support from the Japan Gov't. OTOH, the Tundra has failed to "over take" big truck market as the Import purists predicted/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 the Tundra has failed to "over take" big truck market as the Import purists predicted/ I don't anyone predicted Tundra would "over take" that market. Also, in the U.S. at least Tundra is not an import; it's designed, engineered and manufactured in the U.S. primarily for that market and secondarily for other parts of the Americas (Canada, Mexico, Panama, Chile, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Ford had no problem building C1 Focus, Mazda3, and S40 on the same line in China. Ford had no problem building C1 Focus and Mazda3 on the same line in Thailand. Ford had no problem building C1 Focus, Mazda3, and I-Max, Mazda5 on the same line in Taiwan. Don't confuse production decisions due to logistic, utilization, or sales and marketing reasons with engineering or manufacturing capability. If Mazda didn't have an otherwise empty plant in Hiroshima (and likewise Volvo with Nedcar), I'm sure Ford could have assembled all those cars in Mexico, Germany, Argentina, or Michigan as well. Did it make sense to build S40/V50 in Saarlouis when it was already nearly maxed out building Focus, C-Max, and Kuga? Did it make sense to build Mazda3 in Michigan when importing from Japan was nearly as expensive but Mazda had the advantage of having all its accounting done in its native currency in Yen? to clarify ford north America has a problem building c1 products on the same line. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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