Anthony Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) The correct way to mention your competition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8tKtYXztzY Edited February 4, 2016 by Anthony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Well, it certainly explains the 800# gorilla in the room: the styling of Ford and Ram that they rip off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Other than being a bit long, this seems ok. The "American Titan" at the end makes me wonder how they're branding this truck, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Thing I wonder about this truck is the take rate on the Cummins. Seems like this motor is a designed to be a fit between the Ram VM diesel on the low end and the Power Stroke/6.7 Cuimmins/Duramax o the high end. Agree J-150 on your styling comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrand Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The correct way to mention your competition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8tKtYXztzY Looks like the recent years Ford Grill....now also copying the drop down door panel sill under the mirrors. The Nissan, Toyota and Honda full size truck guys are desperate for sales. Unlike their success with convincing many women and minorities to buy passenger and SUVs in the U.S. market ....they can't seem to convince them to buy full size trucks (F Series, Silverado, Ram)....I personally hope that never changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Dear Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan, America was not built on the shoulders of Japanese trucks. In our free market you are welcome to compete, but please don't pretend you are here to save us from ourselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Other than being a bit long, this seems ok. The "American Titan" at the end makes me wonder how they're branding this truck, though. Anything with a Nissan badge simply cannot be American. Ichiro Suzuki plays ball in America, he is not American. He is a Japanese ball player that currently makes his living in America. Simple as that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Zuh? What am I supposed to be feeling right now, Nissan? BTW, I love that they're not buying the whole "It's RAM!! Say it! Say RAM!!!" nonsense either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The only thing I really took out of that commercial was Bobby Singer flying a remote control helicopter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Anything with a Nissan badge simply cannot be American. Ichiro Suzuki plays ball in America, he is not American. He is a Japanese ball player that currently makes his living in America. Simple as that. I'm pretty sure that this truck is being built in the USA by other Americans. The name Nissan may not be American, but neither is mine, and I was born here. Whether or not Nissan wants to call it "American Titan" is up to them, although I question how well that will go over with the buying public. (the same public that largely doesn't know that all Honda Accords sold here are built in Ohio) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I'm pretty sure that this truck is being built in the USA by other Americans. The name Nissan may not be American, but neither is mine, and I was born here. Whether or not Nissan wants to call it "American Titan" is up to them, although I question how well that will go over with the buying public. (the same public that largely doesn't know that all Honda Accords sold here are built in Ohio) Nissan is not American. They are a foreign corporation operating in USA for the sole purpose of making profit by taking market share from others. Their existence here is not to be good guys. Same as Ford's purpose other parts of the world. I worked many years for a software giant run by a very arrogant CEO. I won't mention names but he has a passion for sailing and won the America's Cup. Our biggest competitor was German. We had large operations in Europe and our CEO would openly state we are there for one purpose -to take market share right in their own front yard. Love the honesty! Wish Americans would recognize Toyota, Honda and Nissan this way. Edited February 4, 2016 by Kev-Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 "American Titan" Isn't that a reality TV show about insanely fit guys and gals doing physical stunts that nobody should be able to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Sat in one at our local auto show last week. It's a nice enough truck but it feels a bit below the competition in materials And interior design. The outside is not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrand Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Nissan is not American. They are a foreign corporation operating in USA for the sole purpose of making profit by taking market share from others. Their existence here is not to be good guys. Same as Ford's purpose other parts of the world. I worked many years for a software giant run by a very arrogant CEO. I won't mention names but he has a passion for sailing and won the America's Cup. Or biggest competitor was German. We had large operations in Europe and our CEO would openly state we are there for one purpose -to take market share right in their own front yard. Love the honesty! Wish Americans would recognize Toyota, Honda and Nissan this way. Totally agree. Not to mention all the tax abatements they received for leasing their U.S. plants. Almost forgot about how their government helps them by manipulating their currency to give them advantages against American Companies (Ford). But Americans, like RangerM, thinks differently. Edited February 4, 2016 by bdegrand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Totally agree. Not to mention all the tax abatements they received for leasing their U.S. plants. All manufacturer get tax incentives to produce vehicles in a certain state/city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 But you can't ignore that these companies are creating hundreds of thousands of well paying jobs in the U.S. from dealerships to factories to suppliers and all of the businesses that support them, which is why they get local tax breaks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 All manufacturer get tax incentives to produce vehicles in a certain state/city. In exchange for new local/state jobs which adds to the tax base and supports other local businesses. It's a win/win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrand Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 In exchange for new local/state jobs which adds to the tax base and supports other local businesses. It's a win/win. Leasing and buying plants....Ford owns their plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Leasing and buying plants....Ford owns their plants. What difference does it make who owns the plants? The jobs are created either way which creates more taxpayers for the government and more business for the local businesses which in turn generates more tax revenue. The government gets back more in new taxes than they gave up to get the business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) In exchange for new local/state jobs which adds to the tax base and supports other local businesses. It's a win/win. Exactly! Leasing and buying plants....Ford owns their plants. Why does it matter? They are still bringing tons of jobs to the area, which increases sales tax and employment taxes and property taxes, which more than make up for the tax breaks given to open/lease/buy the plants. EDIT: Looks like I posted it with my other account a minute before this one. Edited February 4, 2016 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 EDIT: Looks like I posted it with my other account a minute before this one. Cut that out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrand Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) What difference does it make who owns the plants? The jobs are created either way which creates more taxpayers for the government and more business for the local businesses which in turn generates more tax revenue. The government gets back more in new taxes than they gave up to get the business.I've debated the two of you a number of times. It's like Democrats vs Republicans. Let me mention a few things. Yen fluctuation is big-time advantage for them.(120 vs dollar today) All Japanese car companies are subsidized by their government , they don't have to deal with unions like Ford suffers with, they don't have huge pensions retirees to subsidize, they buy all their steel from the Nippon Steel Arrangements.Honda flew in their Nippon Steel when Marysville Ohio was built in the 80s to keep their cars rolling....and until they could set up their plans for total internal foreign owned matrix. Of course they created jobs since Ford was forced to close plants because of the continuous influx of Honda's, Toyota's etc...People like teachers, government workers and most others not affected by this invasion didn't care and now it continues to manifest itself to the point Ford is shrinking to an all-time low in market share. Chrysler is foreign owned and the Big 4 is down to 2. Yet, the response is a"so what, they are creating jobs"....yep....jobs that are foreign owned. The camel's nose is not just in the tent...it's whole body is in...and its kicking the Ford out. We (Ford) are doing the best we can but with attitudes like your response about creating jobs....do you really think at the rate they are selling cars....Ford Will still be a strong competitor in the next decade without a fair playing field.? It's all about perception. E.g....Fusion is as good as or better than Camry, Accord,Altima....but it can't match their sales.I ask my teacher friends who have your view..."hey guys, if Japan and Korea started importing teachers and workers to take over all your government jobs...would you care?" I mention Korea now since they see the opportunity.No need for unions, free plants financed by willing states, getting to hand pick your work force.....it's as you say a "win win! http://epi.org/78360 Edited February 4, 2016 by bdegrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Nissan is not American. They are a foreign corporation operating in USA for the sole purpose of making profit by taking market share from others. Their existence here is not to be good guys. Same as Ford's purpose other parts of the world. I worked many years for a software giant run by a very arrogant CEO. I won't mention names but he has a passion for sailing and won the America's Cup. Or biggest competitor was German. We had large operations in Europe and our CEO would openly state we are there for one purpose -to take market share right in their own front yard. Love the honesty! Wish Americans would recognize Toyota, Honda and Nissan this way. All corporations' desire is to acquire market share. Ford is trying to take it from GM.....GM from Chrysler.....Chrysler from Nissan.....Nissan from Toyota.....etc. You make it sound like Nissan is a malevolent foreign invader. They're not. They are a foreign investor, because they believe by making a truck here (in the States) they can make a profit. If they take the dollars back to Japan (which they don't, since you can't buy anything there with them), so what? They traded trucks for slips of paper of diminishing value. Totally agree. Not to mention all the tax abatements they received for leasing their U.S. plants. Almost forgot about how their government helps them by manipulating their currency to give them advantages against American Companies (Ford). But Americans, like RangerM, thinks differently. The Japanese government's monetary policy doesn't affect the profitability of the Titan in any way. Nissan isn't exporting trucks from Japan to here, nor are they exporting from here to there. Ford isn't doing it, either. There's no market for a big truck there, nor here for a truck that costs a fortune to ship across an ocean. If anything, the Titan represents an Americanized-Nissan doing business in America, as an American corporation, by hiring Americans to produce a product for sale to other Americans. Do you really believe they are stealing something from you or others? If so, what? Edited February 4, 2016 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrand Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 All corporations' desire is to acquire market share. Ford is trying to take it from GM.....GM from Chrysler.....Chrysler from Nissan.....Nissan from Toyota.....etc. You make it sound like Nissan is a malevolent foreign invader. They're not. They are a foreign investor, because they believe by making a truck here (in the States) they can make a profit. If they take the dollars back to Japan (which they don't, since you can't buy anything there with them), so what? They traded trucks for slips of paper of diminishing value. http://epi.org/78360 The Japanese government's monetary policy doesn't affect the profitability of the Titan in any way. Nissan isn't exporting trucks from Japan to here, nor are they exporting from here to there. Ford isn't doing it, either. There's no market. If anything, the Titan represents an Americanized-Nissan doing business in America, as an American corporation, by hiring Americans to produce a product for sale to other Americans. Do you really believe they are stealing something from you or others? If so, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrand Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Ugh! Edited February 6, 2016 by bdegrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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