jasonj80 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Got it from pretty great source that in the first to second week of Dec the 2016 MKX will be switched over to Sync 3 and adaptive steering will become available. Dealers should have this info soon if not already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Borg is going to be ticked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Borg is going to be ticked! What else is new? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedonut Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Borg is going to be ticked! I will be, too. My order just went in last Thursday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I will be, too. My order just went in last Thursday! it's probably not too late to have it changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedonut Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 My dealership is trying to check the date. They thought around the end of Nov. That would jibe with the first week of Dec. timing. I'll post back if I hear anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedonut Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My Sales Rep said this morning she thinks mine will be started around 12/7. That would be great; told her I'd hate to miss the upgrade by a week or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I actually knew this was coming since Sync 3 was arriving with the 2016 Edge which presumably puts it on the MKX at the same time. And of course I'm not pleased, but I can't wait indefinitely since my lease would be a year expired by this time. I still like the car, but MLT is a steaming pile sucking a hole in the dashboard. I don't see Adaptive Steering yet but it was delayed until 2016 for the Edge and removed from the MKX announcement altogether. I'm assuming it's there with the 2016 Edge and Job 2 MKX as well. I imagine MKX is also finally getting the 21" Polished Wheels with Job 2 and Edge is getting Adaptive Cruise control. Here's a Window Sticker: http://www.inventory.ford.com/services/inventory/WindowSticker.pdf?vin=2LMTJ8LP7GBL48470 It's really a shame, many of these improvements would have made the MKX a real contender for SUV of the year which is some attention Lincoln badly needs right now. Edited December 1, 2015 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 What is SO bad about MLT? I have MFT in 3 vehicles for the last 2-3 years and since the 3.7 release it's been rock solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 We have different definitions of rock solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 No freezes or visible reboots which were a big problem the first 3 years. Not saying there aren't still bugs but they're relatively minor and the latest release fixes at least some of those like the ambient lighting resetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 He obviously has one of the units that just has issues and can't really be explained why. I know they're out there, my cousin's '15 explorer sport has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Actually they're easy to explain - bad apims. Unfortunately they're hard to get the dealer to replace them for some reason, and in some cases the replacements were also bad and had to be replaced again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) No freezes or visible reboots which were a big problem the first 3 years. Not saying there aren't still bugs but they're relatively minor and the latest release fixes at least some of those like the ambient lighting resetting. He obviously has one of the units that just has issues and can't really be explained why. I know they're out there, my cousin's '15 explorer sport has one.I don't think my issues are atypical. I was half joking about having different definitions of rock solid, but it looks like that may actually be the case. The issue is likely one of perception. I never experienced MFT prior to 3.7. I have no doubt that it is VASTLY improved from the earlier builds. I would never define something with admitted bugs as "Rock Solid". The issues/glitches I've had are really minor, and just that, glitches, but I would no more expect such glitches in a $0.99 app from an app store than I would from a $40k+ vehicle. There is NO reason for MFT to continue to have glitches. Much smaller companies solve much more complicated software issues all the time. I have TiVos. Two generations ago TiVo released a new model which used flash for its interface. The hardware was underpowered, and the units were slow (sound familiar?). TiVo responded by releasing a new unit with improved processing power. Several months later they completely rewrote their entire interface using a language called HAXE and released it for both generations of units. Suddenly the prior generation was as fast as the newest generation unit. TiVos are nothing if not reliable. TiVo is MUCH smaller than Ford, and a TiVo unit is $400 vs, $40,000. MFT is slow. MFT is glitchy. MFT requires too many steps to do many of its functions. Is it the worst thing ever? No. But it is far from "Rock Solid". I know two people personally who had early MFT Explorers and have sworn off Ford because of it. Was it the APIM? Likely. They could not care less when I try to explain that to them, and honestly when I take off my "Ford Fan" hat, I can understand why. Edited December 1, 2015 by sullynd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 There is NO reason for MFT to continue to have glitches. MFT is slow. MFT is glitchy. MFT requires too many steps to do many of its functions. There are plenty of reasons - the initial code sucked so bad they couldn't really fix it, so they rewrote it just like Tivo did. But Tivo doesn't have a touch screen interface that changed from resistive to capacitive. That made it difficult to retrofit sync 3 to MFT vehicles. There is still a possibility they'll port sync 3 to the older hardware with reduced features. Basically they started with the wrong hardware and the code written by bsquare was atrocious. The only real choice they had was to start over from scratch. Live and learn. MFT is only slow compared to smartphones and tablets. Compared to previous touch screen entertainment/nav systems it's just fine. Glitches seem to be limited to ambient lighting resets and source inputs not being remembered. I don't understand the "requires too many steps to do many of its functions". Please cite a specific example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 BTW - the initial release on the Ford Edge in late 2010 was so bad it was locking up and/or rebooting several times per week. Ford was releasing software updates every 6-8 weeks for 1.5 years. Compared to that period the current 3.8 version is rock solid IMO. That doesn't mean it works the way you think it should work, just that it's reliable and doesn't freeze or reboot often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedonut Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 BTW - the initial release on the Ford Edge in late 2010 was so bad it was locking up and/or rebooting several times per week. Ford was releasing software updates every 6-8 weeks for 1.5 years. Compared to that period the current 3.8 version is rock solid IMO. That doesn't mean it works the way you think it should work, just that it's reliable and doesn't freeze or reboot often. What does that mean for the initial release of Sync 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 What does that mean for the initial release of Sync 3? Hopefully it means Ford learned their lesson and won't repeat any of those mistakes. The big problem with Edge is that they went all in on MFT with the new 2011 model and when the software wasn't ready they had no backup plan. They had to either release it and hope they could fix it or stop the entire 2011 Edge launch which wasn't really an option. With sync 3 they're not in that same boat - they can wait until it's ready to replace MFT which we're seeing on the job 2 MKX e.g. It wasn't ready at 2016 MKX launch so it was delayed to job 2. Also - I don't think bsquare wrote sync 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedonut Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Hopefully it means Ford learned their lesson and won't repeat any of those mistakes. The big problem with Edge is that they went all in on MFT with the new 2011 model and when the software wasn't ready they had no backup plan. They had to either release it and hope they could fix it or stop the entire 2011 Edge launch which wasn't really an option. With sync 3 they're not in that same boat - they can wait until it's ready to replace MFT which we're seeing on the job 2 MKX e.g. It wasn't ready at 2016 MKX launch so it was delayed to job 2. Also - I don't think bsquare wrote sync 3. And this isn't Microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 And this isn't Microsoft. But that was just the operating system, not the app, and most of the problems were with the app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 But that was just the operating system, not the app, and most of the problems were with the app. It's amazing how many people completely miss this. I've seen horrible apps on iOS, Android, Windows, etc. Never once have I blamed the operating system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 It's amazing how many people completely miss this. I've seen horrible apps on iOS, Android, Windows, etc. Never once have I blamed the operating system. And you know how much I hate to defend Microsoft....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedonut Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 But that was just the operating system, not the app, and most of the problems were with the app. Then why did they drop Microsoft and not have them push to get the app right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think the biggest kicker is that QNX is a "lighter" operating system than what MS had. Less processing power and memory needed to run. That'll help make any hardware run snappier. Ford was going to have to re-write their apps anyway due to B-Square's crap code. There wasn't going to be a better time to switch than now. And I would guess QNX is probably cheaper to license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Then why did they drop Microsoft and not have them push to get the app right? MS dropped their auto platform and will no longer be producing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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