caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2015/10/06/uaw-explains-health-co-op-gm-plants-dennis-williams-fca-vote-rejected/73444774/ It's not much but it's a least a good start for informing everyone what exactly the co op would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 UAW has no business in healthcare! It's a trap to keep members paying union dues! I bet union dues go up again after contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 UAW has no business in healthcare! It's a trap to keep members paying union dues! I bet union dues go up again after contract If the UAW takes over the health care you can guarantee our dues will go up to pay for the rising costs of health care 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 "UAW President Dennis Williams made it a priority to help the Detroit Three automakers control or reduce health care costs." I wish he made it a priority to get back everything the membership gave up in the down turn and adding to it (now) when they are profitable. We pay Williams to work on our behalf as his priority , NOT for the companies benefit or priority. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 "UAW President Dennis Williams made it a priority to help the Detroit Three automakers control or reduce health care costs." I wish he made it a priority to get back everything the membership gave up in the down turn and adding to it (now) when they are profitable. We pay Williams to work on our behalf as his priority , NOT for the companies benefit or priority. EXACTLY!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 "UAW President Dennis Williams made it a priority to help the Detroit Three automakers control or reduce health care costs." I wish he made it a priority to get back everything the membership gave up in the down turn and adding to it (now) when they are profitable. We pay Williams to work on our behalf as his priority , NOT for the companies benefit or priority. If his priority is helping keep the doors open and us in steady work with no lay offs I see that as a win for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 UAW has no business in healthcare! It's a trap to keep members paying union dues! I bet union dues go up again after contract Did you even read it? It clearly states the workers remain on the COMPANY sponsored health plan. The UAW isn't taking anything over. Damn it LC I was just starting to like some of your posts too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Did you even read it? It clearly states the workers remain on the COMPANY sponsored health plan. The UAW isn't taking anything over. Damn it LC I was just starting to like some of your posts too. Yes you're right we will stay on the same plan BUT the union is taking control of it. Which means the company contributes "X" amount towards health care for each member. But what happens when the cost of health care goes up, do you think the Big 3 will contribute more to make up for that difference? Absolutely not, the union will take that necessary amount that's needed to make up the difference out of our checks as another deduction... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 If his priority is helping keep the doors open and us in steady work with no lay offs I see that as a win for us. If he was concerned with steady work then there would have been more of a fight to keep work from going to Mexico. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 If his priority is helping keep the doors open and us in steady work with no lay offs I see that as a win for us. That is management job unless you want your paid union representation as an extension of management , which it currently is. IMHO the IUAW puts its own self preservation and well being ahead of the rank and file, followed by the company then the membership. All employees want the doors to stay open , just not at a lop sided expense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 That is management job unless you want your paid union representation as an extension of management , which it currently is. IMHO the IUAW puts its own self preservation and well being ahead of the rank and file, followed by the company then the membership. All employees want the doors to stay open , just not at a lop sided expense. It's the unions job to keep us working and to help ensure future product for it's workers. It's managements job to determine what the company needs and how to get there. The union does it's best to keep us in the work when the company figures it out. Honestly I do not care about the CMax and the Escort heading south as long as MAP gets future product commitment. If there is no future product to commit to MAP then nothing should move. I don't want anyone to lose a job but I would like to see MAP build something other than the crap they build now. Hell send the CMax and Escort down to Mexico and move all Fusion production(including Mexicos)to MAP and throw a lincoln in at Flatrock to make up for lost fusion production. Possibilities are limitless once you send the turds to the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 If he was concerned with steady work then there would have been more of a fight to keep work from going to Mexico. How many of MAPs cars are flying off the lot right now? Gotta get those guys something worthwhile to build. The Cmax was never going to break records and the used car market is flooded with low mileage focuses for half the MSRP or less. Kind of like the problem dodge had with the neon after the used market was chocked full of almost new half price neons why buy new? Compacts are throw aways for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 How many of MAPs cars are flying off the lot right now? Gotta get those guys something worthwhile to build. The Cmax was never going to break records and the used car market is flooded with low mileage focuses for half the MSRP or less. Kind of like the problem dodge had with the neon after the used market was chocked full of almost new half price neons why buy new? Compacts are throw aways for a reason. I agree none of those are selling very good at this time but you NEVER not fight to keep a product even if their replacing it with another. Heard MAP might get version of the Ranger and Bronco, how big of a market is there for both of them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) I agree none of those are selling very good at this time but you NEVER not fight to keep a product even if their replacing it with another. Heard MAP might get version of the Ranger and Bronco, how big of a market is there for both of them?The ranger was quite popular from the time I was a teenager to the time they stopped making them. I would be willing to put money on it for soaking up some of the market share from Chevy and the japs. The Bronco depending on looks and price point may or may not be a hit. The bronco has it's cult following and I imagine if priced right and is a capable off road vehicle may do well. Really depends on what Bronco it is, is it the concept revealed in 05 that looked like something from the 60s on steroids? Or is it some cheap ass remake of the ultra lame Bronco II? Ranger is a go if the price is right. I cannot afford an F150 but would love to have a truck I can use for whatever. Also the sport trac had a following as well, those guys would gravitate towards a ranger as well. I owned a sport trac and it was a great vehicle for what it was. The bed didn't allow much but was roomier than ranger. My friends laughed at it but I liked it. Question for you. Other than shifting products what options are there? I don't see them opening any older plants back up or building new ones for just one or two low volume vehicles. Edited October 9, 2015 by caustic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 The ranger was quite popular from the time I was a teenager to the time they stopped making them. I would be willing to put money on it for soaking up some of the market share from Chevy and the japs. The Bronco depending on looks and price point may or may not be a hit. The bronco has it's cult following and I imagine if priced right and is a capable off road vehicle may do well. Really depends on what Bronco it is, is it the concept revealed in 05 that looked like something from the 60s on steroids? Or is it some cheap ass remake of the ultra lame Bronco II? Ranger is a go if the price is right. I cannot afford an F150 but would love to have a truck I can use for whatever. Also the sport trac had a following as well, those guys would gravitate towards a ranger as well. I owned a sport trac and it was a great vehicle for what it was. The bed didn't allow much but was roomier than ranger. My friends laughed at it but I liked it. Question for you. Other than shifting products what options are there? I don't see them opening any older plants back up or building new ones for just one or two low volume vehicles. I'm not for them shifting production of the Focus at CMax to Mexico. Keep it where it's at, as gas prices go up there will always be a need for small cars like the focus. Another truck such as the Ranger I don't see a need for it unless you could get a maxed out one for 15k-20k which isn't going to be the case, not when a focus cost more than that. Anything higher priced than that you're better off buying a F150. Another SUV such as a Bronco,unless it was a full size which it wont be then yeah maybe, but if its not then that takes away from the Explorer, Escape and Edge sales. What's the answer, I think keep the focus where it's at and bring the production of the rear wheel drive focus here too. I just can't see there being a big enough market for a small truck and another SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I agree none of those are selling very good at this time but you NEVER not fight to keep a product even if their replacing it with another. Heard MAP might get version of the Ranger and Bronco, how big of a market is there for both of them? I have heard the new Ranger will be on the same platform as the next version of the Explorer. I believe it's supposed to get a big redesign for 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/08/25/ford-ranger/32373741/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Two months ago is a long time in this business, an August article is forgot about in Sept. You heard the Ranger will be on a "D" platform? Not 2018. Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I have heard the new Ranger will be on the same platform as the next version of the Explorer. I believe it's supposed to get a big redesign for 2018. It needs to be BOF same with a possible bronco. Downtime I disagree with it taking away from the Explorer, two different vehicles for two different market segments. The explorer cross over kind of reminds me of driving a car, it isn't really an off road vehicle. The Bronco would have to be BOF and off road ready, kind of like the Raptors little brother. The newer unibody Explorers appeal to those that never leave pavement. And if a nicely equipped Ranger was around 30-34k it'd sell. There is a market for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Something with a manual trans and a Dana transfer case and some locking hubs or something like the Jeep locking differentials..... Ahhhh works for me. Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Two months ago is a long time in this business, an August article is forgot about in Sept. You heard the Ranger will be on a "D" platform? Not 2018. Decker Maybe MY2019. People said the same things when the Explorer was first converted, seems to be doing well. And yes, that is what I heard(whatever the Explorer will be using next). CD6, D6 whatever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Something with a manual trans Decker This times 100. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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