electrofomoco Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I've been reading this forum a long time. Great to hear from all the people that work at the "beloved" Blue Oval. I just wanted to chime in on different unions with tiers. Before I started at Ford I worked for a school district in the MEA. They had several pays for the same work depending on time served. Also my wife, sister, and brother in law are in the MEA. Each has taken several years to reach top pay. The CAW went from a 3yr to 6yr and now 10yr scale to top pay. Also the UAW this spring negotiated a 6yr plan at Lear. I guess my question goes out mostly to two tier. I'd like to know. What system do you think is fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 4 year grow in....with no cap....even if it means top pay has to be lowered a dollar or two to get it done. Nobody should be stuck in the bottom percentage for 10-15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 4 year grow in....with no cap....even if it means top pay has to be lowered a dollar or two to get it done. Nobody should be stuck in the bottom percentage for 10-15 years. You should be in the bottom percentage for at least 20 years then maybe just maybe consider bringing your pay up! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 4 year grow in....with no cap....even if it means top pay has to be lowered a dollar or two to get it done. Nobody should be stuck in the bottom percentage for 10-15 years. Guys thet have been in the plants since before 2007 should not have to take a reduction in their pay. I personally like the idea of 4 years, keeping my 401k over a pension, and keeping my lower cost health plan. Reality is grown in will wind up being longer than 4 years if a defined path even gets outlined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Here we go again Tier2. That is why everyone here thinks you are a total pos. Take from them and give to me. I hope you get screwed this contract. 10yrs to top pay for your ass. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) I wasn't referring to current Tier 1. I've never once said their pay should be reduced, froze yes, not reduced. I'm talking about a reset of the current top out rate. I'd be fine with topping out at $26-$27, so future employees wouldn't have to be stuck in the bottom percentage. With my seniority I'll be bumped up Tier 1 within a couple years,but I'd give it up to help future brothers and sisters. Edited October 8, 2015 by Tier2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) I wasn't referring to current Tier 1. I've never once said their pay should be reduced, froze yes, not reduced. I'm talking about a reset of the current top out rate. I'd be fine with topping out at $26-$27, so future employees wouldn't have to be stuck in the bottom percentage. With my seniority I'll be bumped up Tier 1 within a couple years,but I'd give it up to help future brothers and sisters. So 10 years down the road you will be frozen and the next crop gets capped 3 bucks below you, you make 27 bucks til you die, the ones behind you get capped and make 24 bucks til they die and so on. That would create a horrible cycle of dwindling wages back down over time. Edited October 8, 2015 by caustic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 you said top pay should be reduced a couple bucks an hr to raise tier twos. that's pretty easy to read, no where did it say future top pay, that would be saying lower tier2 a couple bucks an hr to get more people up to tier twos new top pay of what. 23hr. if that's what you mean to say, say it. otherwise I will just believe what I read,. And i'm curious, how does that do away with 2nd tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 No more tiers period!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lions Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Every time tier2 opens his hole shit comes out. Everything is about him getting everything at the cost of others. I dare him to say some of this crap on the floor!! Quit hiding behind a keyboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 It's been reported that under this new contract proposal for fca that tier 2 will make up to $29/hr but it take 8 years to get there. Not sure what's meant by "UP TOO" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) It's been reported that under this new contract proposal for fca that tier 2 will make up to $29/hr but it take 8 years to get there. Not sure what's meant by "UP TOO" ...That doesn't sound unreasonable to me. Up to might mean of you were hired before a certain date or if you work in a certain plant. Be some interesting fine print I'm sure. The question is what was taken out of the offered first agreement to bump that pay up in the second one. Edit. Up to probably means by the end of the contract you could be at 29 if you have X amount of years in. Which is great if this turns out to be true. Still makes me think something else might have come off the table though, hopefully not their 401k contributions. Edited October 8, 2015 by caustic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) That doesn't sound unreasonable to me. Up to might mean of you were hired before a certain date or if you work in a certain plant. Be some interesting fine print I'm sure. The question is what was taken out of the offered first agreement to bump that pay up in the second one. Edit. Up to probably means by the end of the contract you could be at 29 if you have X amount of years in. Which is great if this turns out to be true. Still makes me think something else might have come off the table though, hopefully not their 401k contributions. You know in order for them to agree to that pay raise they took something away from tier 2. And what about tier 1? NO cola... Hope they read the fine print before they vote Edited October 8, 2015 by Downtime1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) I know there's a spin on it since it came from the UAW Facebook page, but I saw a stat on there last night about how workers got more out of profit sharing than they have out of cola. Which would you rather have? *edit: damn autocorrect Edited October 8, 2015 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 You know in order for them to agree to that pay raise they took something away from tier 2. And what about tier 1? NO cola... Hope they read the fine print before they vote Something pretty substantial had to be taken out, probably that nice increase into their 401k, 1.25 times on Saturday, even tougher attendance policy, and no signing bonus. Just speculation but I'm sure it had to be several things removed off the table for it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I know there's a spin on it since it came from the UAW Facebook page, but I saw a stat on there last night about how workers got more out of profit sharing than they have out of cola. Which would you rather have? *edit: damn autocorrect I'll take PS as I can slide that right into my Tesphe, not sure how COLA even worked as I never had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Something pretty substantial had to be taken out, probably that nice increase into their 401k, 1.25 times on Saturday, even tougher attendance policy, and no signing bonus. Just speculation but I'm sure it had to be several things removed off the table for it to happen. Agree and it'll only be in the fine print... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Every time tier2 opens his hole shit comes out. Everything is about him getting everything at the cost of others. I dare him to say some of this crap on the floor!! Quit hiding behind a keyboard. How is making a few dollars less an hour so others aren't stuck in the bottom taking from others, if anything its giving to others. I voice my opinions daily on the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Something pretty substantial had to be taken out, probably that nice increase into their 401k, 1.25 times on Saturday, even tougher attendance policy, and no signing bonus. Just speculation but I'm sure it had to be several things removed off the table for it to happen. A tougher attendance policy would never pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 A tougher attendance policy would never pass. I beg to differ. Make everything else more enticing and you could very easily get a tougher attendance policy to pass It's needed IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) you said top pay should be reduced a couple bucks an hr to raise tier twos. that's pretty easy to read, no where did it say future top pay, that would be saying lower tier2 a couple bucks an hr to get more people up to tier twos new top pay of what. 23hr. if that's what you mean to say, say it. otherwise I will just believe what I read,. And i'm curious, how does that do away with 2nd tier. The answer was to the original question of what system do you like best. I've never said 2 Tier should go away, I've always said the top out rate for Tier 2 should be raised. Edited October 8, 2015 by Tier2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I beg to differ. Make everything else more enticing and you could very easily get a tougher attendance policy to pass It's needed IMO Agreed. It is needed terribly. People need to bring their asses to work or gtfo, just my personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrofomoco Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Tier 2 no one would be stuck at bottom percentage. I want to remind you tier 1 would not see a raise them for 16 yrs. Also, any raise we don't get is one you can never make it up to. I like the 8 yr with wages moving up to start. I'd like to see 6 with Ford. The wages would tighten in scale hopefully higher to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Why not just do what they do for the Canadian workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Agreed. It is needed terribly. People need to bring their asses to work or gtfo, just my personal opinion. It's so bad I can't even get an early out for a funeral in the morning. It's a shame that there's so many slugs like this that work here. I know plenty of hard working people that would kill for a ford factory job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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