SoonerLS Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I don't think it was the changeover, per se, as much as it was the fact that GM tried to sell their trucks without huge incentives. They found out that nobody wants to buy a Silererra without $5k+ in cash on the hood. Maybe so, but I asked my now-retired boss (who drives Chebbies) about it back then. He said the word in Chebbie fanboi circles was that their redesign had been too conservative--there was nothing to distinguish the new truck from the outgoing model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 That is so sad........ I insisted my next car be a stick but never had the opportunity to learn to drive one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) But aren't sales of most C sedans and hatchbacks also down? It's not like the Focus is declining while the rest are increasing (is it?). C-segment sales are on the rise overall. The big decrease is Chevy Cruze, which is under going model change over. Focus and Jetta are the only volume seller going down in significant numbers - coincidentally, both just received underwhelming facelift. At least the Jetta has new fuel efficient 1.4 TSI engine, which should will somewhat mitigate the stop sale on TDI going forward. Focus needs help. There is a new Civic, Elantra, and Cruze coming in a few months... The focus retail sales could get really ugly. Fleet sales should be stable but I'm sure GM will be attacking the fleet side with renewed vigor with Cruze Limited. YTD sales Corolla 278,742 +8% Civic 249,749 -1.5% Elantra 193,962 +19% Cruze 177,970 -14.5% Focus 163,864 -7% Sentra 154,270 +9% Impreza+WRX+XV 142,351 +20% Jetta (excluding wagon) 94,793 -4% Mazda3 82,300 +2.5% Dart 68,319 +12% Forte 63,300 +18% Golf (including Jetta wagon) 52,439 +41% Compass 46,886 -2% Verano 25,002 -27% Edited October 1, 2015 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I insisted my next car be a stick but never had the opportunity to learn to drive one Ready....Fire!!!!......Aim....... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Maybe so, but I asked my now-retired boss (who drives Chebbies) about it back then. He said the word in Chebbie fanboi circles was that their redesign had been too conservative--there was nothing to distinguish the new truck from the outgoing model. Well, there's that too. It wasn't radical enough to justify buying at $5k more then you could have bought a '13 model for. I insisted my next car be a stick but never had the opportunity to learn to drive one Yeah, but you didn't have to tell a bunch of guys on a car forum that a GIRL had to teach you! But hey, I applaud your honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah, but you didn't have to tell a bunch of guys on a car forum that a GIRL had to teach you! But hey, I applaud your honesty. meh, I can take it. There's way worse that I would never say. Try telling guys on a prog rock forum that you actually own more than 1 Nickelback CD. That's way worse of a beating than you guys could give me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Ok - the stick thing we can overlook but Nickelback??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Says the guy who still listens to K.C. and the Sunshine Band............ "I'm your boogie man.......that's what I am........" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 My co-worker, looking to buy a car for his daughter commented to me - "..we both like the Ford Focus, but they have transmission problems, so we will pass." Ah - the age of Google! This is evidence that the Focus is being passed over by the non-car lover crowd (Corolla, Civic) as a troublesome vehicle. This is a good explanation. Your co-worker is correct - Focus does have a much worse than average reliability record (with an especially high rate of problems with the transmission) as well as a low owner satisfaction rating according to Consumer Reports. Civic, Corolla, Elantra, Impreza, and Forte all registered double digit percentage increases in September 2015 sales compared to the previous year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 My sister taught me how to drive a manual transmission. And, not only do I own a digital version of every Nickelback album, I've seen them in concert 8 times. Would have been 9 if they hadn't canceled their tour this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Says the guy who still listens to K.C. and the Sunshine Band............ "I'm your boogie man.......that's what I am........" You're making me nostalgic. "Get down tonight" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 My sister taught me how to drive a manual transmission. And, not only do I own a digital version of every Nickelback album, I've seen them in concert 8 times. Would have been 9 if they hadn't canceled their tour this year. Only seen them once, but only because I've been too broke to go to more concerts. Thank god in not the only one here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBirdStangSkyliner Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Look at the jump on the Transit. I mean, it's almost like they weren't even making them last year... Nice joke, but it is cool that total full sized van sales are up about 28% over last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Try telling guys on a prog rock forum https://youtu.be/UlrPtf05gP0?t=10503 Edited October 2, 2015 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Only seen them once, but only because I've been too broke to go to more concerts. Well, after the first song it's all a repeat anyway, so I don't think you missed much........ Although I do admit I love Rock Star.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 https://www.google.com/search?q=1963+international+truck&rlz=1C1CHHZ_enUS519US546&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=965&tbm=isch&imgil=oIv_yP48uFkYJM%253A%253BgVS9LNTeM9LadM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.desertclassics.com%25252Finttrucks2.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=oIv_yP48uFkYJM%253A%252CgVS9LNTeM9LadM%252C_&usg=__leXRaKOMz1f-R4ahYbeJZ2slf0s%3D&ved=0CCYQyjdqFQoTCPaopO_so8gCFULTgAodDoEIQw&ei=3oAOVvbBNsKmgwSOgqKYBA#imgrc=TEp5nKDt9XhhQM%3A&usg=__leXRaKOMz1f-R4ahYbeJZ2slf0s%3D This is the first manual i learned on. Not counting tractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Well, after the first song it's all a repeat anyway, so I don't think you missed much........ You talking about Nickelback or AC/DC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 You talking about Nickelback or AC/DC? Yes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I had one Nickelback CD. It became an excellent coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Nickelback? Isn't that a bannable offense here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Nickelback? Isn't that a bannable offense here? Last I checked, this is a car forum, not an uptight prog-rock forum, so I would venture a guess and say no, but barely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 C-segment sales are on the rise overall. The big decrease is Chevy Cruze, which is under going model change over. Focus and Jetta are the only volume seller going down in significant numbers - coincidentally, both just received underwhelming facelift. At least the Jetta has new fuel efficient 1.4 TSI engine, which should will somewhat mitigate the stop sale on TDI going forward. Focus needs help. There is a new Civic, Elantra, and Cruze coming in a few months... The focus retail sales could get really ugly. Fleet sales should be stable but I'm sure GM will be attacking the fleet side with renewed vigor with Cruze Limited. YTD sales Corolla 278,742 +8% Civic 249,749 -1.5% Elantra 193,962 +19% Cruze 177,970 -14.5% Focus 163,864 -7% Sentra 154,270 +9% Impreza+WRX+XV 142,351 +20% Jetta (excluding wagon) 94,793 -4% Mazda3 82,300 +2.5% Dart 68,319 +12% Forte 63,300 +18% Golf (including Jetta wagon) 52,439 +41% Compass 46,886 -2% Verano 25,002 -27% Again, how bad can this get until the Focus is replaced in another 3 years. I repeat what I said earlier, an 8 year gap between Redesigns is a recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I don't think anyone else said this, what with their discussions of the worthiness of Nickelback, but I'll bring it up. Mustang sales nearly tripled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Disaster? That's a bit of an exaggeration...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Again, how bad can this get until the Focus is replaced in another 3 years. I repeat what I said earlier, an 8 year gap between Redesigns is a recipe for disaster. Ford's on track to sell 218,000 Foci this year. Fiat would give their eye teeth to sell that many Dodge Darts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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