MTP'er Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 God this will hurt, hurt really bad ! The UAW wants to manage your health care in a co-op so that they can get lower prices and bring tier 2 up to par with tier 1. The UAW wants to manage all health care for the active UAW members to save money for the big 3 so they can bring up tier 2 wages. The UAW wants to create a co-op to manage this just like the veba. UAW think they can get a better deal rep 800,000 to 900,000 members on health care costs. What I see is the UAW giving the membership no say what so ever in health care and the co-pays, just like the veba the retirees have no say what so ever with there health care costs. Look at cable tv or internet, they say the more people the less its going to cost.....Think again ! DOESN"T HAPPEN. When the veba was first formed for the retirees the information was little to none. The retirees had to find out for them self what was covered and what wasn't. To give my health care so the UAW can manage it with no say so someone can get even par with me on wage is a big fat FUCKING NO WAY !!!!!! I will vote this down no matter how much FUCKING money they throw at me and I hope you will do the same. Dennis Williams = Bob king in my book , just another FUCKTARD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 God this will hurt, hurt really bad ! The UAW wants to manage your health care in a co-op so that they can get lower prices and bring tier 2 up to par with tier 1. The UAW wants to manage all health care for the active UAW members to save money for the big 3 so they can bring up tier 2 wages. The UAW wants to create a co-op to manage this just like the veba. UAW think they can get a better deal rep 800,000 to 900,000 members on health care costs. What I see is the UAW giving the membership no say what so ever in health care and the co-pays, just like the veba the retirees have no say what so ever with there health care costs. Look at cable tv or internet, they say the more people the less its going to cost.....Think again ! DOESN"T HAPPEN. When the veba was first formed for the retirees the information was little to none. The retirees had to find out for them self what was covered and what wasn't. To give my health care so the UAW can manage it with no say so someone can get even par with me on wage is a big fat FUCKING NO WAY !!!!!! I will vote this down no matter how much FUCKING money they throw at me and I hope you will do the same. Dennis Williams = Bob king in my book , just another FUCKTARD. If this goes through it's going to require EVERY member to get a health care assessment. This means EVERY member will be required to go to a doctor and get a full physical to include blood work to see if your in good health and also will be able to find out what type of medication your currently taking by way of that blood work. You will also have to disclose if your a smoker or a drinker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 This was coming MTP`er..... we are screwed again. Look at the track record of the first VEBA the IUAW took on. Insolvent in a short time. Then the IUAW took on the second VEBA our retiree`s get 300% increase in co-pays. But to ask a IUAW member they will never talk about the true nature of the VEBA shit.... You do remember how the IUAW had to have a retired member file suit (a fuckin circus of a trail) just to get the legalities in place to become the administrator of the retiree`s health care. Hell 98% of the retiree`s didn`t know what hit them till the first changes in and the increasing co-pays started rolling in. MTP`er we are fucked. It will pass and our health care is gone as we know it. This way if the benefits stay close to the same Ford isn`t libel for any of the 40% "Cadillac Health Care " excise tax... Oh and the IUAW can save the membership the excise tax.... by in creasing co-pays and reduce benefits. IUAW CO-OP yep thats gunna work out for who? The labor movement has been dead for a long time. Sold out again.... Who "groomed "williams? the king of the company bitches..... help Ford help Ford what a bunch of bullshit. Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeWelder Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 God this will hurt, hurt really bad ! The UAW wants to manage your health care in a co-op so that they can get lower prices and bring tier 2 up to par with tier 1. The UAW wants to manage all health care for the active UAW members to save money for the big 3 so they can bring up tier 2 wages. The UAW wants to create a co-op to manage this just like the veba. UAW think they can get a better deal rep 800,000 to 900,000 members on health care costs. What I see is the UAW giving the membership no say what so ever in health care and the co-pays, just like the veba the retirees have no say what so ever with there health care costs. Look at cable tv or internet, they say the more people the less its going to cost.....Think again ! DOESN"T HAPPEN. When the veba was first formed for the retirees the information was little to none. The retirees had to find out for them self what was covered and what wasn't. To give my health care so the UAW can manage it with no say so someone can get even par with me on wage is a big fat FUCKING NO WAY !!!!!! I will vote this down no matter how much FUCKING money they throw at me and I hope you will do the same. Dennis Williams = Bob king in my book , just another FUCKTARD. You forgot to mention that the president of each and every local will appoint doctors to care for the people in their locals. These appointee's will be taken from the rank and file of their locals. They promise that only those with big brains will be tapped for these special appointments. The health care cost will drop only slightly, but enough to ensure that each locals doctor appointee's can write their own overtime and travel to anywhere in the continental U.S. to attend health care symposiums to ensure the highest level of health care to it's members. To be proactive, and reduce comments to my post calling me ridiculous and/or stupid, this post contains no factual content whatsoever. It is sarcasm in it's purest form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 IUAW first at taking care of and securing the profits Ford makes on our labor. http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2015/08/22/uaw-chief-aims-address-health-care-costs-talks/32048489/ Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Ford makes over 4 billion in profits so far this year and profits every year since the week after the last contract was screwed in and the IUAW is worried about concessions...?I`m missing the logic here.... Dennis?Decker1 of the 1788 Edited August 24, 2015 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 This was coming MTP`er..... we are screwed again. Look at the track record of the first VEBA the IUAW took on. Insolvent in a short time. Then the IUAW took on the second VEBA our retiree`s get 300% increase in co-pays. But to ask a IUAW member they will never talk about the true nature of the VEBA shit.... You do remember how the IUAW had to have a retired member file suit (a fuckin circus of a trail) just to get the legalities in place to become the administrator of the retiree`s health care. Hell 98% of the retiree`s didn`t know what hit them till the first changes in and the increasing co-pays started rolling in. MTP`er we are fucked. It will pass and our health care is gone as we know it. This way if the benefits stay close to the same Ford isn`t libel for any of the 40% "Cadillac Health Care " excise tax... Oh and the IUAW can save the membership the excise tax.... by in creasing co-pays and reduce benefits. IUAW CO-OP yep thats gunna work out for who? The labor movement has been dead for a long time. Sold out again.... Who "groomed "williams? the king of the company bitches..... help Ford help Ford what a bunch of bullshit. Decker This will not benefit the members BUT the IUAW DOESN'T have any control over co pays like your saying they do, the insurance companies control that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You forgot to mention that the president of each and every local will appoint doctors to care for the people in their locals. These appointee's will be taken from the rank and file of their locals. They promise that only those with big brains will be tapped for these special appointments. The health care cost will drop only slightly, but enough to ensure that each locals doctor appointee's can write their own overtime and travel to anywhere in the continental U.S. to attend health care symposiums to ensure the highest level of health care to it's members. To be proactive, and reduce comments to my post calling me ridiculous and/or stupid, this post contains no factual content whatsoever. It is sarcasm in it's purest form. I don't agree with this type of joint insurance as it only benefits the company by saving them a lot of money. The members will gain nothing from this, everyone's deductibles will go up so any raise we get we be off set by the medical deductibles we will all pay. BUT why do you think that the president of EACH local will appoint doctor's to care for its members?? Where are you getting this information from and how are you coming up with this?? With this plan EVERYONE will be required to take a health care assessment, ie a physical to see what type of shape your in and also will be able to find out ANY type of medications you are currently taking.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Ford makes over 4 billion in profits so far this year and profits every year since the week after the last contract was screwed in and the IUAW is worried about concessions...? I`m missing the logic here.... Dennis? Decker 1 of the 1788 AND will want the members to sign a longer contract, instead of a 4 year contract it will be longer. Remember don't blame the company THIS is the IUAW that is coming up with this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) The Affordable Health Care Act was intended to eventually tax employee provided health insurance.As cost rise from more services being provided to people who are non-payers I expect ever increasing taxes and rationning.There is not a whole lot the UAW or the company can do about it so,,,,,how big is the signing bonus and are there any buy-outs?Let me add this,,,,,liberals do not have the common sense instinct for self-preservation that God gave to plants!Its,"free" "free" "free" but only if YOU are not the one paying for it. Edited August 24, 2015 by Fatso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeWelder Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I don't agree with this type of joint insurance as it only benefits the company by saving them a lot of money. The members will gain nothing from this, everyone's deductibles will go up so any raise we get we be off set by the medical deductibles we will all pay. BUT why do you think that the president of EACH local will appoint doctor's to care for its members?? Where are you getting this information from and how are you coming up with this?? With this plan EVERYONE will be required to take a health care assessment, ie a physical to see what type of shape your in and also will be able to find out ANY type of medications you are currently taking.. You forgot to mention that the president of each and every local will appoint doctors to care for the people in their locals. These appointee's will be taken from the rank and file of their locals. They promise that only those with big brains will be tapped for these special appointments. The health care cost will drop only slightly, but enough to ensure that each locals doctor appointee's can write their own overtime and travel to anywhere in the continental U.S. to attend health care symposiums to ensure the highest level of health care to it's members. To be proactive, and reduce comments to my post calling me ridiculous and/or stupid, this post contains no factual content whatsoever. It is sarcasm in it's purest form. OMG......really??????Please read my post again that you replied to(above).......in it's entirety.....the last sentence, which I really thought was not necessary, was apparently just for you. From your reply, I assume you are not one of the big brains to be tapped for appointment as doctor of your local. Edited August 24, 2015 by RougeWelder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 How is this any different than an insurance company telling you what physicians you have to go to? Those complaining about being forced to get a health assessment.... You should be getting that every year anyway. People not doing it is why healthcare cost are out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) This will not benefit the members BUT the IUAW DOESN'T have any control over co pays like your saying they do, the insurance companies control that. When you bring a group of 140,000 employees to an insurance company co pays are negoiatable. Anthem doesn't want us to use another provider. They're making a killing off us. Edited August 24, 2015 by Tier2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 How is this any different than an insurance company telling you what physicians you have to go to? Those complaining about being forced to get a health assessment.... You should be getting that every year anyway. People not doing it is why healthcare cost are out of control. Interesting and how would you enforce yearly physical exams and health management on people who receive healthcare not from an employer but for "free"?Healthcare costs are "out of control" for a variety of reasons let me just tell you one,in smaller countries that have socialized medicine{with borders and stricter immigration control} the doctors earn a good income compared to the average worker but nothing like what USA doctors earn.My point is that resources are limited and only air is "free". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Interesting and how would you enforce yearly physical exams and health management on people who receive healthcare not from an employer but for "free"?Healthcare costs are "out of control" for a variety of reasons let me just tell you one,in smaller countries that have socialized medicine{with borders and stricter immigration control} the doctors earn a good income compared to the average worker but nothing like what USA doctors earn.My point is that resources are limited and only air is "free". I'm talking from a company/employee standpoint. A company that has healthy employees pays less for insurance. Getting a physical yearly and managing a disease is a lot cheaper than waiting until you have heart attack, get cancer, or diabetes etc... You're touching on a society/welfare issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) How is this any different than an insurance company telling you what physicians you have to go to? Those complaining about being forced to get a health assessment.... You should be getting that every year anyway. People not doing it is why healthcare cost are out of control. The reason health care cost is out of control is due to the hospitals getting stuck with picking up the tab for all of the uninsured... Also I don't know about you BUT I have the freedom to see whatever doctor I want, I don't have an insurance company making that decision for me. That all depends on the type of insurance you chose to go with. Edited August 24, 2015 by focusfrank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Interesting and how would you enforce yearly physical exams and health management on people who receive healthcare not from an employer but for "free"?Healthcare costs are "out of control" for a variety of reasons let me just tell you one,in smaller countries that have socialized medicine{with borders and stricter immigration control} the doctors earn a good income compared to the average worker but nothing like what USA doctors earn.My point is that resources are limited and only air is "free". Under this plan you would get a letter from the insurance company asking that you schedule a health care assessment, if you chose not too you would be penalized in some way. That is how it would be enforced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The reason health care cost is out of control is due to the hospitals getting stuck with picking up the tab for all of the uninsured... Also I don't know about you BUT I have the freedom to see whatever doctor I want, I don't have an insurance company making that decision for me. That all depends on the type of insurance you chose to go with. Hospitals don't get stuck picking up the tab....they pass it on to the insured. Make no mistake hospitals are making a killing. My insurance has a network of physicians I must use. So yes I'm not free to chose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Hospitals don't get stuck picking up the tab....they pass it on to the insured. Make no mistake hospitals are making a killing. My insurance has a network of physicians I must use. So yes I'm not free to chose. Your right hospitals initially get stuck with it and pass it off to the insurance companies, BUT that's one of the many reasons health care costs are so high. And if you don't like being told what physicians to go see than change the type of insurance plan you have don't blame that on the insurance company. You made that choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Your right hospitals initially get stuck with it and pass it off to the insurance companies, BUT that's one of the many reasons health care costs are so high. And if you don't like being told what physicians to go see than change the type of insurance plan you have don't blame that on the insurance company. You made that choice[/quote I didn't choose.....All Tier 2 has the same insurance. Edited August 24, 2015 by Tier2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle72 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 U chose to work for fomoco so yea u chose to have them Benny's when u put ur mark on the dotted line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozerman Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 yea this is our year so everybody says , giving up health care as we know it. ask any retired person and you'll see what we are in for if the iuaw takes over our health care. i wouldn't trust the iuaw with my dogs health care. come on people, lets say no if they try to shove this down our throats. we are way under the caddy tax anyway, also it don't even take place till the last year of the new contract and by then it might be gone so who knows. if we don't get a great contract this year we will never get one ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 yea this is our year so everybody says , giving up health care as we know it. ask any retired person and you'll see what we are in for if the iuaw takes over our health care. i wouldn't trust the iuaw with my dogs health care. come on people, lets say no if they try to shove this down our throats. we are way under the caddy tax anyway, also it don't even take place till the last year of the new contract and by then it might be gone so who knows. if we don't get a great contract this year we will never get one ever. If you're Tier 1 you're not under the caddy tax....pulling the insurance together is not as bad as it seems....as long as a dumbass isn't running it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) If you're Tier 1 you're not under the caddy tax....pulling the insurance together is not as bad as it seems....as long as a dumbass isn't running it. Baaaaam!!!!! mis management!!!! ask any CAT VEBA beneficiary, Deere VEBA beneficiary and any of the Ford VEBA recipients.... gotta love the way an administrator has to look for a cheaper coverage because the VEBA plan they administer is under funded. Reduce medical coverage and the favorite one of all.... higher co-pays for med`s, doctors visits and those pesky hospital stay. Speakin of funding? They have short comings with all the IUAW VEBA plans now, did Dennis mention just how or who or for that matter what (our cola did remember?) will fund a VEBA plan for get this 900,000 beneficiaries? Lets be conservative and say a 5% increase in beneficiaries a year hmmm that`s 45,000 more sets of feet under Dennis table, I meant the VEBA plan`s table.... Anyone see a financial report on a VEBA plan lately? Tier2 you might be close to being right, tier1 members may be under the Cadillac Benefits threshold but, that will depend on how many of tier1`s dependent`s are in the pool. Sure if it`s an empty nest episode then yes but, what if tier1 was 3 or 4 bambino`s puttin their little feet under the table and Maama is runnin around the house half dressed then you better believe tier1 is well inside the Cadillac doorway. Enough of all this fusssin and gruumpy shit.... We have work to do!!! We have time to put in place a constitutional amendment and Barack can have 8 more years!!! Do you think we could get Dennis to step up to be Barack`s VfrickinP???? The NEW LABOR PARTY!!!!!! Hail to the Cheefff`s Could you imagine.....? Decker 1 of the 1788 Edited August 24, 2015 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statts Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 what happened to the retirees with there insurance how much did there copays go up? just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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