15 Ford F150 crash test part 2

[fordtech1]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/07/29/mixed-crash-test-results-versions-ford/30854467/

 

I bet the 2016 will get the same "extras" on all cab configurations. I am interested to see the competition do this test,

[mackinaw]

Ford has already said that the 2016 models will get the additional bracing.

[fordtech1]

Ford has already said that the 2016 models will get the additional bracing.

I read another article that said Ford is looking into adding the extra supports in other cab configurations. I see this one says they are adding for 2016.

[Anthony]

 

 

The IIHS normally only tests the best selling version.

 

Ford only adds reinforcements to best selling version.

 

 

IIHS:

 

IIHS: Let's test another version

 

Ford:

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2015 by Intrepidatious

[RangerM]

...... the 2015 F-150 SuperCrew — which accounts for 83 percent of 2015 F-150 retail sales....

 

Wow.

[blazerdude20]

...... the 2015 F-150 SuperCrew which accounts for 83 percent of 2015 F-150 retail sales....

 

Wow.

Makes sense. Most people buying a truck at retail need it to pull double duty. That means hauling kids, friends, dogs, etc. The supercab is a couple inches short on rear leg room to call it comfortable for any length of time.

[RangerM]

Makes sense. Most people buying a truck at retail need it to pull double duty. That means hauling kids, friends, dogs, etc. The supercab is a couple inches short on rear leg room to call it comfortable for any length of time.

It's certainly my "Family Truckster". Just wouldn't have thought it so common.

 

But I suppose it's the lack of suitable V8 (ok, V6 turbo) rear drive family (friendly) sedans.

[Sevensecondsuv]

Of the other 17%, I wonder what the split is between reg and supercab.....? I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's close to 10/7 reg/sup. Still see quite a few old farmers in the 2 seaters. That and the reg cab short bed sporty versions. I imagine the aluminum reg cab short bed 5.0 does a pretty good mustang imitation! Haven't seen a super 2015 that I can remember.

 

If supercab is pulling less than 10% is there really a business case to keep it? Obviously you need the reg cab for fleet and customers who need the 8' bed without the astronomical wheelbase. With 80%+ of retail choosing the more spacious crew cab, what purpose does the supercab serve?

 

I also agree that the crew cab half tons are where all the full size V8 sedan buyers went.

Edited July 30, 2015 by Sevensecondsuv

[sullynd]

It's certainly my "Family Truckster". Just wouldn't have thought it so common.

 

But I suppose it's the lack of suitable V8 (ok, V6 turbo) rear drive family (friendly) sedans.

That's why they sold over 350 Chevrolet SS last month!

 

With the average price of new vehicles being $30k+ I think people are looking for vehicles with the most versatility.

[RichardJensen]

If supercab is pulling less than 10% is there really a business case to keep it?

10% of all F150 sales is probably around 50k units per year. More than enough to keep it profitable.

[blazerdude20]

Of the other 17%, I wonder what the split is between reg and supercab.....? I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's close to 10/7 reg/sup. Still see quite a few old farmers in the 2 seaters. That and the reg cab short bed sporty versions. I imagine the aluminum reg cab short bed 5.0 does a pretty good mustang imitation! Haven't seen a super 2015 that I can remember.

 

If supercab is pulling less than 10% is there really a business case to keep it? Obviously you need the reg cab for fleet and customers who need the 8' bed without the astronomical wheelbase. With 80%+ of retail choosing the more spacious crew cab, what purpose does the supercab serve?

 

I also agree that the crew cab half tons are where all the full size V8 sedan buyers went.

While the supercab doesn't notch many sales to retail it does quite well with fleets. The extra room for tools and equipment makes it a good deal for a lot of fleets. The dealer I work for doesn't sell many regular cabs, I'd say 60% of fleet is supercab though.

[Bryan1]

The split is stated in the article.

 

"The SuperCab — or extended cab — accounts for about 12 percent of sales and the regular cab 5 percent. IIHS hasn’t rated the regular cab."

[RichardJensen]

Hmm. I was going to spit-ball a 2:1 ratio of supercab to reg. cab.

[akirby]

5 percent seems high. I only remember seeing 2 or 3 the last year.

[Sevensecondsuv]

All depends on where you live I guess. If I had to guess before reading the link I would have said 20% reg cab based on what I see driving around here.

[Anthony]

I'm really surprised they even bother with a reg cab at that rate. Leave it for the F-250 and above for fleet purposes.

 

I'm not sure how many F-150s Ford sells per year (they don't break it out of F Series sales) but if 5 percent of a smaller percentage of total F-Series sales is all they sell, is it really worth it? I wonder if the only reason they actually kept it for the 150 series was because it will(?) be sharing cabs with the heavy duty trucks.

 

Edit: found the breakout from 2009 to 2013 for SuperDuty production vs % of full F-Series (invert for F-150 production). Looks like "generally" F-150 is around 2/3rd of all F-Series.

 

• 2009: 179,569 (32% of F-series output)

• 2010: 200,384 (31%)

• 2011: 242,139 (33.2%)

• 2012: 252,992 (29.9%)

• 2013: 275,521 (29.4%)

Edited July 30, 2015 by Intrepidatious

[fordmantpw]

Of the other 17%, I wonder what the split is between reg and supercab.....? I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's close to 10/7 reg/sup. Still see quite a few old farmers in the 2 seaters. That and the reg cab short bed sporty versions. I imagine the aluminum reg cab short bed 5.0 does a pretty good mustang imitation! Haven't seen a super 2015 that I can remember.

 

If supercab is pulling less than 10% is there really a business case to keep it? Obviously you need the reg cab for fleet and customers who need the 8' bed without the astronomical wheelbase. With 80%+ of retail choosing the more spacious crew cab, what purpose does the supercab serve?

 

I also agree that the crew cab half tons are where all the full size V8 sedan buyers went.

 

Pioneer mentioned that the SuperCab was almost eliminated for the '09 model year (I think that was the year) but was added back in at the last minute.

[silvrsvt]

So the question of the hour is how well do the steel body Chevy and Ram products will do?

[Pioneer]

 

Pioneer mentioned that the SuperCab was almost eliminated for the '09 model year (I think that was the year) but was added back in at the last minute.

Correct.

[aneekr]

Attached is Volume 50, Number 6 of the IIHS Status Report, containing details about their recent crash testing and body repair cost evaluation for Ford F-150.

sr5006.pdf

Edited July 30, 2015 by aneekr

[jasonj80]

What I'm most surprised with is that the 2017 Raptor will have the SuperCab with the 5.5ft bed again. That is a one of customized frame and wheel base for a very low production vehicle. I'd guess volume for that is only 3,000-4,000 of them per year.

The low speed repair test just shows that a heavier vehicle is going to have less damage than lighter vehicle in an accident. It has less to do with the Aluminum and more to do the one vehicle has ~500 more weight in it.

Edited July 30, 2015 by jasonj80

[RichardJensen]

 

I'm really surprised they even bother with a reg cab at that rate

 

 

Probably because fleet buyers either won't buy an F250 or the F250 isn't as profitable in regular cab configuration as the F150.

 

You can be sure Ford's run the idea by selected customers periodically.

[Anthony]

 

Probably because fleet buyers either won't buy an F250 or the F250 isn't as profitable in regular cab configuration as the F150.

 

You can be sure Ford's run the idea by selected customers periodically.

 

 

Yeah, but for what amounts to ~25k trucks a year (5% of 2/3rd F-Series total sales...going by 2014 totals) it seems like more work than it is worth for the extra cab style for the 150.

 

Of course, if the same cab will be used for the 250/350/450 going forward, it has a little more value...but even than...it's only a total of ~37k trucks a year. Maybe they will also be using the cab for even larger non pickup based trucks as well?

 

Edit: SecondSevenSUV brought up the good point that the reg cab take rate is probably much higher on the SuperDuties.

Edited July 30, 2015 by Intrepidatious

[Sevensecondsuv]

I would think the reg cab take rate on 250/350 is higher than the 5% reported for 150 retail.

[bzcat]

So... the bottom line is that Ford designed the crew cab pass the IIHS small front offset test but not the super cab (or presumably regular cab) because IIHS only tested best selling body style. You can either characterize this as "cheating" or smart planning depending on your perspective... because I'm sure Ford is not the only one that does this to game the IIHS test. If IIHS starts testing alternative body styles of all other vehicles, there will probably be some interesting raised eyebrows.

 

For the record, I think this is "cheating"... Ford choose expedience over safety. However, I will leave room for debate on whether IIHS small front offset test is a meaningful test.

Edited July 30, 2015 by bzcat