bifs66 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The two Mustang GT350R-Cs are racing in the IMSA Continental Tire race at Mosport today. They were 1-2 in qualifying, with the pole being a new track record. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Nice to see what they can do on a dry track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 A Camaro Z/28 won again............but the Mustangs were 2nd and 3rd. It's only a matter of time before they win a race. http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/files/race_result_files/CTSC%20CTMP%20Race%20Official.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifs66 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Not so fast... You may have been looking at last years race results from Mosport. Actually, the No. 158 Mustang GT350R-C won its first race today! A Porche 911 was 2nd and the Camaro Z28R was 3rd. I can feel a rules change coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Good catch! I was wondering why it said BOSS302 on the scoresheet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Sorry about that. I was looking for the results of the race and that is what I pulled up. Great to see the Mustang GT350R in winners circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I don't see any results posted on the IMSA website. They must be waiting for the TV replay next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Congratulations to Multimatic Race Team, and to Ford! It may have been 1, 2 but the other GT350R got crashed out. Oh ya, there will be a rules change coming. The Porsche driver said he couldn't keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't see any results posted on the IMSA website. They must be waiting for the TV replay next week. My first search was done using Google and that's when I came up with what turned out to be (unknowingly) last years results. So I went on IMSA's web site and eventually found the 2015 results. It was just extremely difficult to find and it is still termed "unofficial". http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/files/race_result_files/2015_CTSC_CTMP_UnofficialResults.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifs66 Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Congratulations to Multimatic Race Team, and to Ford! It may have been 1, 2 but the other GT350R got crashed out. Oh ya, there will be a rules change coming. The Porsche driver said he couldn't keep up. The Camaro teams can win race after race; but let a Ford win a couple in a row and rules will be changed. Those of us who have followed NASCAR for more than 30 yrs. can attest to it. NHRA did it to Bob Glidden too. What good is it to develop significant technical advances if the sanctioning body nullifies them? I can see some merit in leveling the playing field (though I don't like it) ; but why are the rules typically changed when Fords are winning. When the OHV engines took over from the Flatheads, I don't remember any equivalency formulas in any forms of motorsports. When Ford built a pushrod engine (version of the SBF) for Indy in 1963, there were no special provisions for it to compete with the OHC Offys. Anyone remember that stock car series from several years ago, where you had to run a Chevy engine no matter what make of car was fielded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't think IMSA plays favorites when it comes to mfrs. But they do want a competitive field. They make these adjustments all the time on many different models and makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifs66 Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't think IMSA plays favorites when it comes to mfrs. But they do want a competitive field. They make these adjustments all the time on many different models and makes. Time will tell. I guess I'd really like to see is something like the old Trans-AM series with the Mustangs, Camaros, Mopars, etc. running pretty much production stuff with a limit of 305 cu. in. It was a 305 chevy against a 305 Ford, a 305 Pontiac, a 305 AMC, and a 305 Mopar. You saw tunnel port Fords (not too successful), canted valve Fords, tunnel port Pontiacs, etc. I don't remember them adding weight or restricting an engine design that proved superior. Obviously, the IMSA Continental Tire series is close to the old Trans-Am series except for manipulating the competitiveness of the entries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I am old enough to have watched the Trans Am series back in the day in the sixties and early seventies and that survived pretty well with out adding weight penalties or more severe rules restrictions. It would be great if they could try that again and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I am old enough to have watched the Trans Am series back in the day in the sixties and early seventies and that survived pretty well with out adding weight penalties or more severe rules restrictions. It would be great if they could try that again and see what happens. A series that basically died back in the 70s "survived pretty well"? Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 The patient responded well to treatment - until he died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 But back then you didn't have emissions and CAFE to worry about - the mfrs had free reign on the engines. That won't work with today's production based cars. Why worry about it? It's great seeing Mustangs race camaros and other production based vehicles on road courses regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifs66 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 But back then you didn't have emissions and CAFE to worry about - the mfrs had free reign on the engines. That won't work with today's production based cars. Why worry about it? It's great seeing Mustangs race camaros and other production based vehicles on road courses regardless. I don't see what emissions or CAFE has anything to do with the discussion. If the cars are production based, then all the competitors have to operate under the same standards. That's great...let whatever manufacturer has a better handle on the technology be the fastest. If IRS, or OHC, or a FPC is better, it will show up in the winner's circle. That's the way to settle endless discussions on what engineering practices are superior. However, if one company invests the money and engineering to produce a better performing vehicle, why should it be penalized until it's equal to less refined competitors. Regardless, the Continental Tire series is the best thing going in terms of "stock" cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Because without restrictions on fuel economy and emissions the mfrs had virtually no limits on engine size or power. It was easier to out muscle the competition. And the reason they want parity is the same for all sports - if one team wins every time all the time then the other competitors stop trying and people stop watching. It's entertainment, not an engineering contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 A series that basically died back in the 70s "survived pretty well"? Huh? The original series died because the cars changed so much and some of the key racing partners such as Penske, Hall, Moore, etc. left the series. Maybe we can't have racing exactly the same as that series was, but it's too bad the rules can't be changed enough to allow manufacturers to really compete with one another without penalizing cars for their on-track gains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Because without restrictions on fuel economy and emissions the mfrs had virtually no limits on engine size or power. It was easier to out muscle the competition. And the reason they want parity is the same for all sports - if one team wins every time all the time then the other competitors stop trying and people stop watching. It's entertainment, not an engineering contest. Are you talking race cars or street cars here? I don't think the fans would stop coming. Do the fans stop going to football games or baseball games because one team always wins? No! Maybe the PC actions of today are trickling down. Everyone gets to win no mater if your good or bad. So sad for today's society. Edited July 14, 2015 by coupe3w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm talking about race cars that must be based on production vehicles, therefore the race vehicle's performance is somewhat dictated by CAFE and emissions rules. As opposed to NASCAR where the race engines are not based on production vehicle engines. The same teams don't win all the time in pro sports. At the very least there are 2 or 3 main teams in contention. What you're talking about here is analogous to the Patriots going 16-0 and winning the super bowl year after year after year. You don't think fans would lose interest if that happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 The same teams don't win all the time in pro sports. At the very least there are 2 or 3 main teams in contention. What you're talking about here is analogous to the Patriots going 16-0 and winning the super bowl year after year after year. You don't think fans would lose interest if that happened? Exactly, The Patriot fans would love it! And the contending team fans would love it. Don't you want your team to win? If you lose all the time you fire the coach don't you? You hire different team members to help right the ship. And if you are winning you don't stop practicing, you keep trying harder because you know the other teams aren't sitting still waiting for you to falter. But it doesn't work that way in auto racing does it? No, the sanctioning body keeps the winning teams at bay buy restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 The NFL does the same thing with salary caps and draft choices. They make it easier for the losing teams to get better and harder for the winning teams. What you're advocating for racing is the equivalent of getting rid of salary caps and the draft and making everyone a free agent available to the highest bidder. This would work if it was simply an engineering contest, but it's not. It's entertainment. And entertainment works best when there is a lot of competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Like we have here. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Exactly. How fun would it be if RJ and Biker16 agreed on everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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