Hugh Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) http://jalopnik.com/ford-will-reportedly-show-a-200-mile-ev-this-year-1689206631 http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1503-ford-will-unveil-chevrolet-bolt-competitor-this-year/ My money is LA this fall/winter. Edited March 3, 2015 by Hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 That would certainly explain why the Focus BEV didn't get a very thorough refresh for MY2015. Literally the only thing that changed is the tailgate, tail lights and rear bumper to accommodate the shorter lights. The front clip is entirely unchanged. I thought it was strange but it makes sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 What would be radical is a 200 mile ev range plug in hybrid. All battery around town but with the ability to go cross country. Or maybe just an onboard generator that could extend the 200 mile range to 400 miles without stopping and the ability to recharge anywhere without electricity. It won't be cheap, but that would be the best of both worlds for sure. You could offer smaller battery versions with less range for less money too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 What would be radical is a 200 mile ev range plug in hybrid. All battery around town but with the ability to go cross country. Or maybe just an onboard generator that could extend the 200 mile range to 400 miles without stopping and the ability to recharge anywhere without electricity. It won't be cheap, but that would be the best of both worlds for sure. You could offer smaller battery versions with less range for less money too. I just had a similar thought. Could this be a precursor to that rumored C-Max Hybrid/PHEV replacement coming for MY2019? A dedicated platform certainly makes perfect sense in relation to that particular rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 ^ I hadn't heard 2019 ... remember the "usual suspects" saying cy2017/2018my tho I have a personal reason for preferring 2019 What would be radical is a 200 mile ev range plug in hybrid. All battery around town but with the ability to go cross country. Or maybe just an onboard generator that could extend the 200 mile range to 400 miles without stopping and the ability to recharge anywhere without electricity. It won't be cheap, but that would be the best of both worlds for sure. You could offer smaller battery versions with less range for less money too. Agree^...IF FoMoCo realizes a $10k drivetrain doesn't belong in a mainstream Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Is that 200 mile range based on 30 mph, 55 mph, or 75 mph? Is that the non stop range or is it based on a hypothetical number of regen miles? Or, is it based on laboratory conditions at 72 degrees, on rollers with no head wind, cold, snow, rain or varying road conditions? What happens to the EV range in the real world? I have an Energi and there are too many variables and driving styles that affect range. There better be a large print disclaimer stating: YOUR RANGE MAY VARY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Is that 200 mile range based on 30 mph, 55 mph, or 75 mph? Is that the non stop range or is it based on a hypothetical number of regen miles? Or, is it based on laboratory conditions at 72 degrees, on rollers with no head wind, cold, snow, rain or varying road conditions? What happens to the EV range in the real world? I have an Energi and there are too many variables and driving styles that affect range. There better be a large print disclaimer stating: YOUR RANGE MAY VARY. You mean, just like the EPA ratings for MPG? There is a big disclaimer, but nobody pays attention to it and bit#hes anyway! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) You mean, just like the EPA ratings for MPG? There is a big disclaimer, but nobody pays attention to it and bit#hes anyway! Very true. Uninformed EV owners are going to howl even louder when their remaining range stated 50 miles and because of driving conditions, they only got 40 and they're stranded 10 miles from a charging location, they will scream "it's Ford's fault, they promised... When Ford finally unveils their new and improved long range EV, I wonder if it will be designed to compete with a Bolt or a Tesla. I would like to see two models, on separate dedicated platforms. One based on a redesigned C-Max or Focus to compete with the Bolt class and a Taurus EV to compete with the Tesla Model 3 or any other high end manufacturer who's getting into the game. Personally, I think PHEV is the way to go. Drop a 1.0L EcoBoost in the C-Max/Focus design or a 1.6L in the Taurus and eliminate range anxiety. Edited March 4, 2015 by transitman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @transitman...don't forget Falcon Doors...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @transitman...don't forget Falcon Doors...... Gimicky or practical, you make the call. I saw the video of Musk explaining the doors. If they are so useful in tight parking spaces, why aren't the front doors Falcon??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 pure marketing gimmick fraught with potential issues and recalls if you ask me....but Tesla fans are a STRANGELY loyal bunch of zealots to say the least...almost cult like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 pure marketing gimmick fraught with potential issues and recalls if you ask me....but Tesla fans are a STRANGELY loyal bunch of zealots to say the least...almost cult like. I bet they all use Zaino..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 pure marketing gimmick fraught with potential issues and recalls if you ask me....but Tesla fans are a STRANGELY loyal bunch of zealots to say the least...almost cult like.I welcome the Tesla Zealots, because at the end of the day Tesla is a car company and every car company has zealots. I fear what wierdos come out of the woodwork if/when Apple put a a car out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I fear what wierdos come out of the woodwork if/when Apple put a a car out. I'm a little more worried about BMW right now...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 What would be radical is a 200 mile ev range plug in hybrid. All battery around town but with the ability to go cross country. Or maybe just an onboard generator that could extend the 200 mile range to 400 miles without stopping and the ability to recharge anywhere without electricity. It won't be cheap, but that would be the best of both worlds for sure. You could offer smaller battery versions with less range for less money too. Well it appears that BMW stole my idea for the i3 a few years before I thought of it. They offer a small range extender gas engine that generates enough electricity to maintain the battery charge once it reaches 6.5%. They don't say if speed is reduced or how long it can run on a tank of fuel but this makes me even more sure that Ford will have something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I'll believe it when I see it in production. At the moment, EV sales are being hammered. No reason for Ford to push hard on this program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I'll believe it when I see it in production. At the moment, EV sales are being hammered. No reason for Ford to push hard on this program. There's one pretty good reason CAFE Can't keep surviving on bought tesla credits forever Edited March 6, 2015 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I'll believe it when I see it in production. At the moment, EV sales are being hammered. No reason for Ford to push hard on this program. Another good reason is, it's the future of power. As alternative energy and automobile battery technology advances, and the power that oil and coal companies hold over policy makers fades, the World will eventually ween itself off its dependance on fossil fuels. Europe will lead the way (which it already does in solar power) and as a new, more environmentally conscience generation begins to occupy Congress and corporations, America will follow. Alternative energy companies will finally take root and the oil barons will be reduced to specialty fuels, at least I hope so. Peace, man. Corporations are not People. Edited March 6, 2015 by transitman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Quote "more environmentally conscious generation begins to occupy congress ".....you had me till there, theres a generation about to enter that foray that seemingly has no interest in anything other than whats on the Smartphone surgically attached to the palm of their hand..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I'll believe it when I see it in production. At the moment, EV sales are being hammered. No reason for Ford to push hard on this program. This is untrue, EV sales were UP last year: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/all-electric-car-sales-sizzled-in-2014.html/?a=viewall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Quote "more environmentally conscious generation begins to occupy congress ".....you had me till there, theres a generation about to enter that foray that seemingly has no interest in anything other than whats on the Smartphone surgically attached to the palm of their hand..... Hopefully, not all of them are mindless drones who bump into walls because they never look up. I hope there are enough "young people" out there who still see public service as a good thing and have a desire to improve things. I've only been around for 59 years, but the World is pretty F'd up, if you ask me and there's plenty of room for improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Hopefully, not all of them are mindless drones who bump into walls because they never look up. I hope there are enough "young people" out there who still see public service as a good thing and have a desire to improve things. I've only been around for 59 years, but the World is pretty F'd up, if you ask me and there's plenty of room for improvement. I have little faith my generation is going to help things much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 This is untrue, EV sales were UP last year: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/all-electric-car-sales-sizzled-in-2014.html/?a=viewall The problem is I doubt Nissan is making any money on the Leaf since they have super cheap leases on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang_sallad Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I'll believe it when I see it in production. At the moment, EV sales are being hammered. No reason for Ford to push hard on this program. That's a bit strong. December was the all-time highest month for plug-in vehicle sales in the US, at almost 13,000, 29% higher than Dec 2013. January was up 6%, and Feb was down 6%. Gas prices are likely having an impact, but some also point to the fact that two of the biggest players - the Volt and the Leaf - are both long in the tooth and in line for updates over the next year or two, with the Volt already having been unveiled. Meanwhile, a growing number of models are being added to the mix, with over 20 plug-in models available in the US now. On top of that, PEV sales in Europe are starting to take off, easily surpassing the US market in January, with over 9500 sales. I really hope Ford sees where this is going and doesn't fall too far behind the curve. I don't necessarily think that a pure EV with 200 mile range is necessarily the best option, and certainly isn't the only option, but I hope they're at least readying some significant upgrades to their current crop of PHEVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 and in the name of jeebus PLEASE don't give the blandest style in the history of anything styled like some current EVs. I'm looking at you Focus Electric! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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