Fatso Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Already hearing remarks about my profit sharing from ignorant people who think its extra "free money" on top of my already exorbitant hourly rate.I am forced to educate them to the fact that I have not had a pay raise in TEN YEARS,granted the company concessions,salaried people above a certain pay grade are paid much more than the hourly UAW worker and besides why is my personal business made public for anyone to comment anyways?I want to walk around with a stack of applications and say-go get em tiger!Our profit sharing checks are well earned.About as annoying as when people outside the Big Three gets wide-eyed and ask me "You get an extra two weeks vacation during shutdown" ohhhhh well not really you see.........by the way how much money do you make,what do you do to earn it?Jealous here is an application! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmsford Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I agree 100%. I could never understand why every single detail of our job is in the newspapers. All they print are all the benefits and bonuses we get. You rarely ever read a story about all the concessions we've been forced to take over the last couple contracts. Or how we make a wage today that was pretty good over a decade ago but in todays economy is much harder to survive on. What I would like to know is who are the ones feeding the press these stories?? And why dont the UAW have any PR people to tell the public the whole truth instead of these one sided BS articles we always see in the papers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle72 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yep I hear it all the time overpaid lazy worthless pos uaw workers that's y cars cost so much u people, I just don't get it they don't have a clue. Do we make a decent middle class living yes we certainly do & we earn it by bustin r humps in hot stinky dirty shops & walk out in pain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 The media has played into the hands of the Anti Union folks forever. This is just another way of holding everyone else down in wages and benefits by crying about how we are over paid. Convince enough people, and you get a change in attitudes. Unfortunatly for us, the national media decides what articles to run, and they only push the Anti- Union side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motiontf Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I totally agree! Why does it seem auto workers are the only profession that they plaster all our business in the news???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afodor32 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I get asked at least twice a week how to get a job where I work, I simply refer them to Michigan Works right after I explain exactly what it is we do. Every single one of them says "oh! That's not what I hear on the news", well the news is wrong about what we do and how hard it actually can be. I'm sick of hearing about how much we are getting in profit sharing from everyone, they seem to forget half of that is gone in taxes so in reality we aren't even getting the full amount of what we have earned. It's just crazy how people on the outside think and talk of UAW workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 People are jealous of our union and our good wages, excellent medical and prescription coverage, 20 paid holidays per year plus 5 weeks paid vacation per year, just to mention a few----- These "people" want to destroy all unions and workers right to organize and the ultimate benefit of union representation. They wont be happy until unions are destroyed and our pay and benefits stripped down to poverty levels of state minimums 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) People are jealous of our union and our good wages, excellent medical and prescription coverage, 20 paid holidays per year plus 5 weeks paid vacation per year, just to mention a few----- These "people" want to destroy all unions and workers right to organize and the ultimate benefit of union representation. They wont be happy until unions are destroyed and our pay and benefits stripped down to poverty levels of state minimums Sorry for the double post Edited March 4, 2015 by tooltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP_UAW Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 And some of these very same people demand $15.00 an hour for Walmart and Mickey D. workers as well. The media are nothing more than a bunch of shit stirrers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra12 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Well from what I understand, according to my buisness class, Ford being a public company has to disclose all information like pay,bonuses, earnings, ect. No one wants to invest and buy stock in a company with out knowing what is going on at that company. (I may or may not have fallen asleep in that class so no promises that's right lol). I dont think most people are ignorant, they just don't know. As a wise man once said "You can' know what you don't know untill you know". So don't fault someone for being misinformed. Take a second and teach them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Hey Cobra ignorant and not knowing are the same thing.I dont know how much my supervisors make or how much of a bonus they will receive is that a violation of business law, after all you took a class?I am currently working 9-12 hour days in a row and dealing with not only a highly demanding job but home repairs the weather etc. so I really dont need to argue with anybody capece?Oh that includes you Cobra,did you learn anything?DISCLOSURE does not have to be made to the general public over the media for a company to fulfill its fiduciary responsibility to its share holders.Where the hell did you crawl out of,GO BACK! Edited March 7, 2015 by Fatso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra12 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Hey Cobra ignorant and not knowing are the same thing.I dont know how much my supervisors make or how much of a bonus they will receive is that a violation of business law, after all you took a class?I am currently working 9-12 hour days in a row and dealing with not only a highly demanding job but home repairs the weather etc. so I really dont need to argue with anybody capece?Oh that includes you Cobra,did you learn anything?DISCLOSURE does not have to be made to the general public over the media for a company to fulfill its fiduciary responsibility to its share holders.Where the hell did you crawl out of,GO BACK!My Union brother/sister calm the keyboard rage. I am not arguing with you. Just trying trying to give reason for which you are mad. Trust me I know it's annoying having to correct people all the time, but I do it in hopes they correct someone else. The more people that know the truth the better. When the unions were in their heyday they had a lot lot of public support even from people that wernt in the union. We need the public support again. I'm flattered you think I should be in buisness law, it's only a intro to buisness class though. So we haven't really gone into detail on how much has to be reported. Hopefully I can work my way to buisness or labor law. I hear you on the weather. It's been yet another record breaking winter in Michigan. Just bought a house, the repairs never stop when your a homeowner I'm learning. I can't imagin 9-12s straight. I'm working 5-6 days 12hrs. What kind of schedual are you on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 We need the public support again. You'll never have that as long as the media plays sides for its own befits. Just take a look at teachers...short work year, lots of holidays, etc and their paycheck comes directly from you in the form of taxes...I know some teachers that make make more then 80k a year, plus work second jobs in real estate,etc...and they don't have any more education/certificates then i do in my industry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 You'll never have that as long as the media plays sides for its own befits. Just take a look at teachers...short work year, lots of holidays, etc and their paycheck comes directly from you in the form of taxes...I know some teachers that make make more then 80k a year, plus work second jobs in real estate,etc...and they don't have any more education/certificates then i do in my industry. So do you recognize that you're doing the exact same thing to teachers that the media is doing to us? Because I know teachers that started out making $30,000 a year. THIRTY THOUSAND. After 4 years of college, responsible for TEACHING OUR CHILDREN. Sorry, that's just a shame. And their education is not over - they continue to complete (required) continued education every year to keep their jobs. Their day starts long before the kids get there, and ends long after the kids leave. There are days that I don't want to be closed-up in my home with my four kids, and teachers close themselves off in a room for 7 hours a day with 25-30 of OTHER PEOPLE'S kids. As far as I'm concerned they deserve far better than what they get. What everyone needs to do is NOT bash other careers unless they've actually done the job, or are personally aware of the negative sides of those careers. Isn't that what autoworkers are asking for? Rant over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 So do you recognize that you're doing the exact same thing to teachers that the media is doing to us? That was my point....Teachers should be "well" componsiated for what they do, but how much is the question is the question I'm asking. Trust me I'm married to someone who's parents where both educators....and they have a retirement package that is better then UAW workers have. I also used to live in New Jersey who has the highest property taxes (mostly because of education)in the country so, yes I can question the why and who of why this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 That was my point....Teachers should be "well" componsiated for what they do, but how much is the question is the question I'm asking. Trust me I'm married to someone who's parents where both educators....and they have a retirement package that is better then UAW workers have. I also used to live in New Jersey who has the highest property taxes (mostly because of education)in the country so, yes I can question the why and who of why this happens. OK, but you're doing it again. "Teachers should be well compensated...but how much is the question..." It sounds like you believe autoworkers should have a better retirement package than teachers, and I respectfully disagree. I am grateful to have the job that I do (and please don't mistake that comment as "just be lucky to have a job"), and to be compensated as I am, considering that I have no extended education beyond high school. I bust my butt at work, and my body has taken a huge toll, but in my opinion that is nothing compared to what is expected from our educators. I'm not sure what living in New Jersey has to do with this, but since you brought it up: New Jersey's median home price is close to $300,000. In Michigan (not sure where you're at, but that's where I am) the median home price is close to $120,000. That's a HUGE difference. Also, New Jersey's fuel tax is among the lowest in the nation; Michigan's is among the highest in the nation. Again a HUGE difference. You're comparing apples to oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 OK, but you're doing it again. "Teachers should be well compensated...but how much is the question..." It sounds like you believe autoworkers should have a better retirement package than teachers, and I respectfully disagree. I am grateful to have the job that I do (and please don't mistake that comment as "just be lucky to have a job"), and to be compensated as I am, considering that I have no extended education beyond high school. I bust my butt at work, and my body has taken a huge toll, but in my opinion that is nothing compared to what is expected from our educators. I'm not sure what living in New Jersey has to do with this, but since you brought it up: New Jersey's median home price is close to $300,000. In Michigan (not sure where you're at, but that's where I am) the median home price is close to $120,000. That's a HUGE difference. Also, New Jersey's fuel tax is among the lowest in the nation; Michigan's is among the highest in the nation. Again a HUGE difference. You're comparing apples to oranges. Ok this is the point I'm making, a typical teacher works on avg 185 days a year, has winter and spring breaks, all holidays off and then some, then roughly 60 or so days off during the summer. Having that additional time off counts as componsation IMO. The typical full time employee works 262 days a year, gets maybe 10 days off for holidays and has another 15 days (if they use them) for time off/sick time...thats a difference of nearly two months pay vs teaching. Property taxes....depending on where you live, Properties taxes are anywhere from 5-10K+ a year in NJ. There are other factors at play here (lots of Fiefdoms that repeat services), but Education makes up 50%+ of thoses costs. No clue as to how much they are in MI, but I'm currently in MD, and my property taxes are about 5K, but I'm also in a county that has a very small population vs where I was in Jersey, but on the flip side, I'm paying about 2.5K more in payroll taxes, so I'm still paying way too much in taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ok this is the point I'm making, a typical teacher works on avg 185 days a year, has winter and spring breaks, all holidays off and then some, then roughly 60 or so days off during the summer. Having that additional time off counts as componsation IMO. The typical full time employee works 262 days a year, gets maybe 10 days off for holidays and has another 15 days (if they use them) for time off/sick time...thats a difference of nearly two months pay vs teaching. Property taxes....depending on where you live, Properties taxes are anywhere from 5-10K+ a year in NJ. There are other factors at play here (lots of Fiefdoms that repeat services), but Education makes up 50%+ of thoses costs. No clue as to how much they are in MI, but I'm currently in MD, and my property taxes are about 5K, but I'm also in a county that has a very small population vs where I was in Jersey, but on the flip side, I'm paying about 2.5K more in payroll taxes, so I'm still paying way too much in taxes. "Having that additional time off counts as compensation IMO" - that's where you're wrong. Teachers have the option to either 1) have their salary spread out over the course of the calendar year, or 2) have their salary spread out over the course of the SCHOOL year. Most teachers take on temporary jobs over the summer (and they do work more than 185 days a year). Additionally, most teachers do other things that CONTRIBUTE to their posted salaries: teach extracurricular activites (music, drama, debate, NHS, school newspaper, etc) that take place after school hours; they tutor students; they coach after-school sports; they teach driver's education. Teachers are educating our children. When you leave work, you're done for the day. When teachers leave work, they have lesson plans, they have homework to correct, the list goes on. Everything that you see in a teacher's classroom is what they have provided, from their own pockets (except textbooks and desks). And for that financial pleasure, they get to deduct a whopping $250 a year. What expenses have you incurred at your job? Everything that we need to do our jobs is provided to us. You believe that teachers are overpaid, and I disagree. With a minimum four-year degree, plus continuing education, plus having to provide the needed supplies for their classroom, plus the responsibility of safely caring for and educating my children for half of the day, I am of the opinion that it's a shame that the average-paid teacher earns less than I do ( and NO, I don't believe that I am overpaid). Regardless, this is not the place to hash out the issues of teachers' salaries. Let's agree to disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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