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MKS to debut in NY...... and may be rwd


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#21 OFFLINE   Trailhiker

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 03:18 PM

The picture shows every make between Hyundai and Subaru...I wouldn't expect that many reveals in one show, especially Rolls and McLaren.

I may be wrong, but it looks like place holders for possible reveals, not probable ones









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Posted 25 March 2015 - 08:04 AM

Continental Concept is confirmed.   Here is an internal dev site (no pictures or details yet).

 

http://lincoln.dev.n...nental-concept/



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 08:28 AM

Look what I found in the source code:  They reveal it will be a 2017 model.

 

 

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Which refers to the Updates dropdown:

 

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 08:44 AM

So the question is whether this will replace or compliment the MKS?  Along with which platform of course.



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:12 AM

My bet is the old MKS might soldier on for a year or two on existing platform.  Just to wait and see if sales of the new product pick up.

 

Personally, I think this is an area, for now at least, that Lincoln could keep this as a Lincoln only platform.  Leave the stretched CD4 supposed Taurus update for the Ford line.

 

I am concerned about Lincoln.  The new MKC isn't picking up as large of sales as I would like.  If the MKX, Continental, Navigator don't pick up more sales, Ford might be better off making high end Platinum models and dump Lincoln.  Not that I "want" Lincoln to go away.  But I'd say they have 2 more years to straighten this ship out before they need to start making some hard choices whether further investment is the way to go.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:21 AM

So the question is whether this will replace or compliment the MKS?  Along with which platform of course.

 

 

IMO I'd rather see the Contential as the top car in the lineup with its history.

 

But here is the issue...the MKS is an ok car, but once again IMO, the Contential should be a RWD, no compromises Luxury sedan that starts at 40-50K and tops out around 80 or so (think Navigator pricing)...which would leave a sizeable gap between it and MKZ if the MKS went away. However a FWD/AWD Conti based on the CD4 along with the Taurus doesn't have the gravitas, once again IMO to do that....but if there is a Focus based Sedan to slot under the MKZ, the MKZ could shift in price to cover mid-range...

 

Just had this jump out at me...maybe the next MKZ will be like the ES350....the new ES is based on the Avalon, so maybe the next MKZ will link up with the new Taurus, which is more or less about 75% same as the Fusion?


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:26 AM

I am concerned about Lincoln.  The new MKC isn't picking up as large of sales as I would like.  If the MKX, Continental, Navigator don't pick up more sales, Ford might be better off making high end Platinum models and dump Lincoln.  Not that I "want" Lincoln to go away.  But I'd say they have 2 more years to straighten this ship out before they need to start making some hard choices whether further investment is the way to go.

 

The issue is that Lincoln is still rebuilding its lineup and reputation....do keep in mind the MKC is a new product and heck its new customers and is adding volume to Lincoln because its a "white space" product for them.

 

The problem with Platinum models replacing Lincoln is that next to know one will spend 30K on a Focus (outside of performance models) to get luxury....part of the appeal is that Lincoln and other makes have is snob appeal...and a 30K+ Focus can't do that. Trucks are different...


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:56 AM

 

The issue is that Lincoln is still rebuilding its lineup and reputation....do keep in mind the MKC is a new product and heck its new customers and is adding volume to Lincoln because its a "white space" product for them.

 

The problem with Platinum models replacing Lincoln is that next to know one will spend 30K on a Focus (outside of performance models) to get luxury....part of the appeal is that Lincoln and other makes have is snob appeal...and a 30K+ Focus can't do that. Trucks are different...

I have a theory on this, when Ford developed the new MKZ, it did it in such a way that the car actually lost a lot of

Fusion's interior room and basically  spans large compact and smallish mid sizer - more apparent since new ES arrived.

 

My suggestion would be to develop a new MKZ based on a lengthened and widened Focus sedan so that

it's more than a "Verano" copy and use CD4 Fusion for MKS mid sizer and CD4 Taurus for Continental.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:47 PM



So the question is whether this will replace or compliment the MKS?  Along with which platform of course.

 

Production starts in 2016 (for 2017 model year) so that still points to CD4.

 

But we may be in for a surprise... who knows exactly how long Ford was working on D6.  :wub: 

 

We inferred the timing of 2018 calendar year intro for D6 based on the first media leak of the D6 SUV program earlier this year. We figured the Explorer mid cycle update (2015 model year) will have at least 3.5 model year shelf life with a short final year, typical of Ford's model cycles, which means the earliest we could see D6 Explorer (or Aviator) was 2018.5 or early 2019 model year.    



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:55 PM

 

But we may be in for a surprise... who knows exactly how long Ford was working on D6.   :wub:

 

Compare the Lincoln product development security with Cadillac, or even the Germans. IMHO, we could get a surprise. :)


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:02 PM

I think they've been working on CD6 longer than we think, so I think the 2017 model could be CD6, but doesn't have to be.  I'm about 50/50.



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 05:48 PM

The Continental will replace the MKS.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:17 PM

One mystery solved.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 08:49 PM

There is an obvious problem with moving the MKS upward to become worthy of being called a Continental, but stopping shy of making it the RWD/AWD flagship. This would make it necessary to price the latter car into the eyewaterring territory of the 7-Series. If they don't take the RWD flagship that high, then the Conti can't be much more than Lincoln's me-too version of the XTS.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 04:39 PM

Well the hints I'm seeing point to a CD4 version no doubt driven by the need to get products to China.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 09:22 PM

The new Continental will probably be more of a successor to the 1988 - 2002 version than an updated 1961 model.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 07:25 AM

It will be interesting to see if they use the new performance AWD system.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 03:48 PM

It will be interesting to see if they use the new performance AWD system.

how about a traverse version of the GT/Raptor 3.5L ecoboost too ;)


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 07:46 PM

I doubt you'll see much more than the current 3.5L EB power numbers in a transverse setup.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 09:13 PM

I doubt you'll see much more than the current 3.5L EB power numbers in a transverse setup.

 

why not? The current system and transmission can take more power...and id assume that the new RS system could possibly take more then that  

 

I could see a bump to 400hp with no problem 


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