010300 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Has anybody else heard that Ford is trying to cut health insurance for spouses in the new contract? Is there any truth to that? Can they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 No idea if its true or not, but IF, and its a big IF, the UAW negotiates it, and WE the membership vote it in, Shame on us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 There's absolutely no way that gets voted through 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstyles Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 10k signing bone, and you"ll dance a jig. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 With all the reductions and restrictions of insurance coverage that have been voted in for the "entry level" members and the view of the bottom of the bus our retirees got from their VEBA (IUAW) insurance..... What would be hard to believe about any reduction in coverage? It`s less than 10 months away or maybe they will agree to conclude negotiations early??? I can hear it now.... Be thankful you have a job.... in this economy...it`s the best we could get..... Decker 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I bet the only way two tier and is get a raise is if two tier gets Obamacare until they come to full rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I bet the only way two tier and is get a raise is if two tier gets Obamacare until they come to full rate. Guess they will be on ObamaCare the rest of there career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Has anybody else heard that Ford is trying to cut health insurance for spouses in the new contract? Is there any truth to that? Can they do that? They can bargain for whatever they want. I would be more fearful of being dumped altogether and givin a stipend, or nothing at all, to buy our own insurance. I think healthcare, wages, and our pension will be attacked this contract. Chrysler already said they will get rid of their two tier system, and raising the lower tier up to first tier level was not the way they were approaching it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanginonWHSP Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 With all the reductions and restrictions of insurance coverage that have been voted in for the "entry level" members and the view of the bottom of the bus our retirees got from their VEBA (IUAW) insurance..... What would be hard to believe about any reduction in coverage? It`s less than 10 months away or maybe they will agree to conclude negotiations early??? I can hear it now.... Be thankful you have a job.... in this economy...it`s the best we could get..... Decker Spot on Decker!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedyCreekBuc Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 UPS dropped 15,000 spouses, if the spouse was eligible for insurance through their own job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 UPS dropped 15,000 spouses, if the spouse was eligible for insurance through their own job. I have seen the letters members have shown me, where Ford`s law firms inquires about a spouses injury, doctors visits or hospital stay and if the spouse could be claimed on another issued insurance? There are questions in these letters that ask if the spouse is employed, full or part time? Are the any dependents eligible for coverage on your spouses employers coverage? These letters are putting together a data base and the data will most likely be used to offer enough money to married employee`s to allow for the reduction of a working spouse from Ford`s coverage. People, they have had lawyers, CPA`s and MBA`s working on these angles and building their data bases to reduce their risk of paying out more of Ford`s money since the signing bonuses were cashed. Put more signing bonus than the last "Great" contract on the line and really..... what coverage, classification, trade, paid time off or our hourly rates is really secure.....? I can only wonder what our side has been working on....? Decker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnm Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ok please dont crush me but......if your spouse is covered by their job, what would be the big deal? Especially if the coverage was equal to the Ford insurance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Have you ever heard coordination of benefits?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I have seen the letters members have shown me, where Ford`s law firms inquires about a spouses injury, doctors visits or hospital stay and if the spouse could be claimed on another issued insurance? There are questions in these letters that ask if the spouse is employed, full or part time? Are the any dependents eligible for coverage on your spouses employers coverage? These letters are putting together a data base and the data will most likely be used to offer enough money to married employee`s to allow for the reduction of a working spouse from Ford`s coverage. People, they have had lawyers, CPA`s and MBA`s working on these angles and building their data bases to reduce their risk of paying out more of Ford`s money since the signing bonuses were cashed. Put more signing bonus than the last "Great" contract on the line and really..... what coverage, classification, trade, paid time off or our hourly rates is really secure.....? I can only wonder what our side has been working on....? Decker Those letters are insurance audits. Employees are randomly audited to verify that their families are eligible for insurance coverage. I've had to fill one out twice in the last 15 years. I would assume they ask about spouse's insurance coverage in the instance of divorced couples providing insurance for their kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ok please dont crush me but......if your spouse is covered by their job, what would be the big deal? Especially if the coverage was equal to the Ford insurance? My wife is a nurse. Ironically, our insurance is better than what her hospital provides, thus we use mine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedyCreekBuc Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ok please dont crush me but......if your spouse is covered by their job, what would be the big deal? Especially if the coverage was equal to the Ford insurance? I would say very few spouses have better insurance available to them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glow Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Didn't FORD /UAW already agreed that if married couple has both health insurance (if they both worked for Ford) they had to choose which person would carry the other? I think around in 2000 era contract. However, I agree with Decker, the UAW is already linning up the conclusion,..... "In this economy be glad you got a job"....etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Didn't FORD /UAW already agreed that if married couple has both health insurance (if they both worked for Ford) they had to choose which person would carry the other? I think around in 2000 era contract. However, I agree with Decker, the UAW is already linning up the conclusion,..... "In this economy be glad you got a job"....etc They can do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 With all the reductions and restrictions of insurance coverage that have been voted in for the "entry level" members and the view of the bottom of the bus our retirees got from their VEBA (IUAW) insurance..... What would be hard to believe about any reduction in coverage? It`s less than 10 months away or maybe they will agree to conclude negotiations early??? I can hear it now.... Be thankful you have a job.... in this economy...it`s the best we could get..... Decker Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 They can bargain for whatever they want. I would be more fearful of being dumped altogether and givin a stipend, or nothing at all, to buy our own insurance. It has already happened to salaried workers years ago. Do you think they would prefer hourly workers over salaried workers? You have to be prepared to vote "no". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I have seen the letters members have shown me, where Ford`s law firms inquires about a spouses injury, doctors visits or hospital stay and if the spouse could be claimed on another issued insurance? There are questions in these letters that ask if the spouse is employed, full or part time? Are the any dependents eligible for coverage on your spouses employers coverage? These letters are putting together a data base and the data will most likely be used to offer enough money to married employee`s to allow for the reduction of a working spouse from Ford`s coverage. People, they have had lawyers, CPA`s and MBA`s working on these angles and building their data bases to reduce their risk of paying out more of Ford`s money since the signing bonuses were cashed. Put more signing bonus than the last "Great" contract on the line and really..... what coverage, classification, trade, paid time off or our hourly rates is really secure.....? I can only wonder what our side has been working on....? Decker They have been working on this since the turn of the century. Count on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Ok please dont crush me but......if your spouse is covered by their job, what would be the big deal? Especially if the coverage was equal to the Ford insurance? All spouses are not covered. You have to stick together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Have you ever heard coordination of benefits?? There is no such thing with the insurance you are provided. It is only a smokescreen. Your insurance does not pick up where your spouses left off. Never has, never will.......................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Those letters are insurance audits. Employees are randomly audited to verify that their families are eligible for insurance coverage. I've had to fill one out twice in the last 15 years. I would assume they ask about spouse's insurance coverage in the instance of divorced couples providing insurance for their kids. As a retiree, I fill them out yearly on myself if injured, and my family for yearly verification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennesseepowerstroke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Didn't FORD /UAW already agreed that if married couple has both health insurance (if they both worked for Ford) they had to choose which person would carry the other? I think around in 2000 era contract. However, I agree with Decker, the UAW is already linning up the conclusion,..... "In this economy be glad you got a job"....etc I heard this this statement back in the 80's from the UAW when I was recalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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