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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-11-21/ford-says-aluminum-pickup-s-fuel-economy-rises-up-to-29-percent

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/11/21/ford-f-series-gas-mileage-aluminum/19340289/

 

 

 

4x2 ratings:

 

•The 2.7-liter turbocharged EcoBoost V-6 engine will get 19 miles per gallon in the city, 26 mpg on the highway and 22 mpg overall.

•The 3.5-liter turbocharged EcoBoost V-6 engine will get 17 mpg in the city, 24 mpg on the highway for an average of 20 mpg.

•The 3.5-liter non-turbocharged will get 18 mpg in the city, 25 mpg on the highway and 20 mpg overall.

•The 5-liter non-turbocharged V-8 will get 15 mpg in the city, 22 mpg on the highway and 18 mpg overall.

 

 

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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-11-21/ford-says-aluminum-pickup-s-fuel-economy-rises-up-to-29-percent

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/11/21/ford-f-series-gas-mileage-aluminum/19340289/

 

 

 

4x2 ratings:

 

•The 2.7-liter turbocharged EcoBoost V-6 engine will get 19 miles per gallon in the city, 26 mpg on the highway and 22 mpg overall.

•The 3.5-liter turbocharged EcoBoost V-6 engine will get 17 mpg in the city, 24 mpg on the highway for an average of 20 mpg.

•The 3.5-liter non-turbocharged will get 18 mpg in the city, 25 mpg on the highway and 20 mpg overall.

•The 5-liter non-turbocharged V-8 will get 15 mpg in the city, 22 mpg on the highway and 18 mpg overall.

 

 

 

2014 3.7L 17/23/19

2014 5.0L 15/21/17

2014 3.5LEB 16/22/18

2014 6.2L 13/18/15

 

Apparently the 29% improvement is from the old 6.2L to the new 2.7LEB. And that is not a valid comparison. It's totally misleading. Shame on Ford.

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2014 3.7L 17/23/19

2014 5.0L 15/21/17

2014 3.5LEB 16/22/18

2014 6.2L 13/18/15

 

Apparently the 29% improvement is from the old 6.2L to the new 2.7LEB. And that is not a valid comparison. It's totally misleading. Shame on Ford.

add the fact apparently the price increase is only $395 as well.........becoming spin central...

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add the fact apparently the price increase is only $395 as well.........becoming spin central...

 

For the 100th time - show me anywhere Ford published that $395 figure.

 

This was in the Ford press release. And they don't even explain where they get the 29% figure from. It would not surprise me to see them pull that from the press release.

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This was in the Ford press release. And they don't even explain where they get the 29% figure from. It would not surprise me to see them pull that from the press release.

 

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2014/11/21/f-150-fuel-economy.html

 

"That is 5 percent to 29 percent better than current F-150 models, depending on engine and driveline configuration on the combined cycle."

 

I really don't have a problem with that wording.

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Gotta love this piece from AllPar: http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/11/f-150-economy-falls-short-of-ram-diesel

"F-150 economy falls short of Ram diesel...

The Ford F-150 XL carries a MSRP of $26,215 plus $1,195 destination; the Ram’s price for a V6 Tradesman is $25,060."

 

So Allpar is comparing 2.7L EB vs Ram diesel fuel economy, but when he gets to the price he compares it to the Ram base V6 and doesn't add destination.

 

The actual Ram Diesel price is $25,060. + $4770 in diesel options + $1195 destination. = $31,410.

 

Ford 2.7L EB price is $26,215 + $0 options + $1,195 = $27,409.

 

Ram is $4,001. more.

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And this doesn't even begin to cover the operational costs.

 

100K miles acquisition + fuel @ combined cycle estimate using today's fuel prices (S. Louisiana avg)

Ram Tradesman EcoDiesel purchase = $31,410

Ram Tradesman Fuel = (23mpg @ $3.40 per gal for 100K) $14,782.60

Ram Tradesman Cost Estimate @ 100K miles = $46,192.60

 

Ford F-150XL EB 2.7 purchase = $27,409

Ford F-150XL Fuel = (22mpg @ $2.50 per gal for 100K) $11,363.64 (of note, I filled up with regular unleaded at the local Shell for $2.42/gal)

Ford F-150XL Cost Estimate @ 100K miles = $38,772.64

 

F-150 costs $7419.96 less than the RAM for the first 100K miles (excluding non-warranty repairs and regular maintenance items)

This assumes that vehicles were purchased at full retail prices and that no discounts were given at the time of sale.

 

My point is this, You can have a truck that is LESS CAPABLE IN EVERY MEASURABLE WAY for $7419.96 MORE for the first 100K miles of operation if you really, really want a Diesel 1/2 ton.

 

No one is buying the RAM ecodiesel for full time max rating towing. It is way to weak for that. No one will be buying the EB 2.7L for full time max rating towing as the engine isn't as efficient in that usage. For occasional towing, the EB 2.7 L will tow a lot more or the same amount with more power reserve capacity. Even in its worst case scenario, when both trucks are towing the same load, the EB 2.7L will cost less to operate in that circumstance given the price difference of diesel. Though diesels do get better gas mileage when under load than the equivalent gasoline engine, given the EB 2.7L's reserve capacity, as long as you aren't exceeding the RAM's max ratings, the EB will still consume less money in the form of fuel per mile driven than the EcoDiesel as diesel mpg tends to degrade more and more as they approach their max ratings.

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For the 100th time - show me anywhere Ford published that $395 figure.

 

This was in the Ford press release. And they don't even explain where they get the 29% figure from. It would not surprise me to see them pull that from the press release.

um, no offense, but we recieved an official bulletin from Ford here at the dealership, and the SAME bulletin was also forwarded to all the publications...Edmunds.com etc etc...the wording was even eerily similar....

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I'd also note that the 2.7L EB appears to be a close match to the EcoDiesel in capabilities, and the Dodge is only about 7.7% better on the EPA tests.

 

 

Better Value, Too

Equipped with 2.7-liter EcoBoost, the all-new F-150 is a better value than even diesel-powered pickups. For instance, the $495 option on the Ford is significantly less than the $4,470 3.0-liter Ram EcoDiesel option.

In addition, with diesel prices currently 76 cents per gallon more6 at the pump, each 3.0-liter Ram EcoDiesel fill-up costs over $24 more than the new 2.7-liter F-1507. That means at today’s fuel prices Ram EcoDiesel owners are not able to offset the additional cost of their EcoDiesel engines with fuel savings8.
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https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2014/11/21/f-150-fuel-economy.html

 

"That is 5 percent to 29 percent better than current F-150 models, depending on engine and driveline configuration on the combined cycle."

 

I really don't have a problem with that wording.

 

It's borderline at best. You don't think anyone is going to expect a 2015 5.0L to get 29% better fuel economy than a 2014 5.0L due to the 700 lb weight loss?

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It's borderline at best. You don't think anyone is going to expect a 2015 5.0L to get 29% better fuel economy than a 2014 5.0L due to the 700 lb weight loss?

 

I disagree.

 

The basic sentence is entirely accurate and the qualifying parenthetical is included as a clause in the very same sentence, not buried in a footnote.

 

Anyone incapable of reading past a comma is going to be outraged by something, eventually, because the world is very confusing if you can't read well.

 

It isn't:

 

Mileage up to 29% better than the current F150!!!!!1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1Actual range: 5% to 29% depending on engine and driveline configuration on the combined cycle.

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So I can get 29% better mileage if I switch from a 2014- 6.2L to a 2015 2.7LEB? Fine.

 

What do I get if I switch from a 2014 6.2 to a 2014 3.7L?

 

Comparing the 2.7EB with the discontinued 6.2 is disingenuous regardless of fine print and footnotes because one is not a replacement for the other.

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Bottom line is, the new F-150 is a quantum leap forward in truck manufacturing and as such, should be embraced on the fact that Ford has moved the bar up....in a few years, you will see GM and FCA follow this lead to build more efficient trucks. Right now, the price of gasoline has dropped...but like all things related to a "commodity"...it will go back up and Ford is ready...once again, GM and FCA will be scrambling while Ford is fully prepared.

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