snoopy Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) removed Edited May 13, 2014 by snoopy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 We had concession contracts in 2005???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 And today, at least in my region, they're getting the delegates together to brainwash them into supporting the dues increase. It's time to get real. You're not going to defeat the Admin Cauc on who they're supporting or in getting the referendum vote. The delegates are too busy for the most part sucking up and this is a wasted effort and just makes people look foolish. Give it up, it's a lost cause. I'd be concentrating right now on making damned sure that they don't raise those bloody union dues. And if you REALLY want to control them? Control their money! Sign off on your Beck rights with the VCAP and hamstring them. Start playing hardball because they're damned sure doing it to us and they could care less what happens to the rank and file. They've shown that time and again. Right now they're on their own personal agenda and it has nothing to do with what is good for the people in the plants! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 We had concession contracts in 2005????Yeah No raises, first implementation of two tier, VEBA, and sell off of Visteon plants into ACH to closings to moving product to Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) We had concession contracts in 2005???? No sir we did not. That is how skewed Gary is. Edited May 13, 2014 by wildosvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Yeah No raises, first implementation of two tier, VEBA, and sell off of Visteon plants into ACH to closings to moving product to Mexico. No raises is a concession? As for the VEBA, I thought and am possibly wrong, that was 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Wildosvt sorry you are wrong Competitive Operating Agreements (COA) -included the outsourcing of several operations in at least assembly plants around 2006, "core / non-core" language that resulted in the loss of hourly cleaners to outsourcing, Highlights from the DTP COA include; Multi level operations- multi level, including "rough road" driving function, will be performed by a 3rd party purchased service provider. Paint operations- eliminate "prep" time (including and extra environmental relief time) currently practiced in the DTP paint operations The loss of our last contractual pay increase-diverted to fund the initial VEBA years before the 2007 official language concerning VEBA.So it wasn't the fact we didn't get a raise, it is the fact that our last contractual owed pay increase was diverted to start the funding for VEBA - I would consider that a concession, and yes Langston this was the framework for what was solidified in the 2007 contract that was VEBA. Without knowing for a fact I am willing to bet that part of the initial funding for the 2007 (official VEBA) came from the diversions of our last owed pay increase from the company which were owed to us I believe in 2006. VEBA actually started in fall of 2005 roughly 9 months before the 2006 Con Con. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Also we rolled our cola back into VEBA that year if I remember as well right lquid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Wildosvt sorry you are wrong Competitive Operating Agreements (COA) -included the outsourcing of several operations in at least assembly plants around 2006, "core / non-core" language that resulted in the loss of hourly cleaners to outsourcing, Highlights from the DTP COA include; Multi level operations- multi level, including "rough road" driving function, will be performed by a 3rd party purchased service provider. Paint operations- eliminate "prep" time (including and extra environmental relief time) currently practiced in the DTP paint operations The loss of our last contractual pay increase-diverted to fund the initial VEBA years before the 2007 official language concerning VEBA.So it wasn't the fact we didn't get a raise, it is the fact that our last contractual owed pay increase was diverted to start the funding for VEBA - I would consider that a concession, and yes Langston this was the framework for what was solidified in the 2007 contract that was VEBA. Without knowing for a fact I am willing to bet that part of the initial funding for the 2007 (official VEBA) came from the diversions of our last owed pay increase from the company which were owed to us I believe in 2006. VEBA actually started in fall of 2005 roughly 9 months before the 2006 Con Con. Well, It's been fun but, I'm thinking that the letter is a bit Rouge-centric and that is slightly off putting. A guy wants to run for International president and his stuff is a little home field oriented. Coming from a smaller local and parts plant, sometimes the attention paid to the big boys is bothersome and makes you wonder if someone like Gary would represent all of us any better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I believe you are correct damagedone, the immediate action was rolling in any COLA to start and the 2006 wage increase was diverted to VEBA rather going to each worker. We have gotten off topic but was kind of hard to stay on topic with the OP removing the first post, with that said there is no other single person that has been more outspoken against concessions and 2 tier than Gary. While I do not believe he will stand a real chance to get voted in, it is always good to have some opposition in any democratic vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I believe you are correct damagedone, the immediate action was rolling in any COLA to start and the 2006 wage increase was diverted to VEBA rather going to each worker. We have gotten off topic but was kind of hard to stay on topic with the OP removing the first post, with that said there is no other single person that has been more outspoken against concessions and 2 tier than Gary. While I do not believe he will stand a real chance to get voted in, it is always good to have some opposition in any democratic vote. While I understand the frustration at the VEBA, the alternative was much much worse. The company was going to summarily cut retiree health care based on a interpretation of the contract, or atleast that's how I understand the court filings. I'm not sure if it counts as a concession as both the company and the workers put money into the VEBA. I believe that Ford is still paying 500+ million a year till 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I wasn't speaking out against it as the alternative was worse...I was just saying we have them our raises and cola as concessions to this health care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Also Gary knows that it is an unwinnable scenario but his reasons for doing what he is doing is to show the yes men and the attitude of our once proud union needs to change. TWO tier and AWS are two main things that are breaking us and it needs to change. We should all have a vote in the president 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 You know what happened at the convention when Gary was being nominated?All these GOONS started making noise with clicker devices to drown out and disrupt Gary being nominated."So,we the establishment don't like what you have to say so we act thuggish and childish to drown you out",Bob King.Your UNION working for YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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