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#41 OFFLINE   4d4evr-1

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 10:32 PM

 

You need to explain this.

during the last contract while GM was in BK it was published that GM UAW workers were held to a lower wage and Ford was not able to negotiate the same rates....


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 11:01 AM

New one launched Sept 2010, 2015 is its 5th MY. 

 

Huh, go figure.  Could have sworn it wasn't out yet when I bought my Edge.  Shows how much I'm paying attention. 

 

Then yes, it's way overdue for some freshening!


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:00 PM

OK Guys (Gals).  W-H-Y ? ? 
 
Chrysler and General Motors recorded April sales increases of 14% and 7%, respectively, while Ford sales fell 1%.
 
W-H-Y?  We know that Chrysler had the new Jeep start to ship a few months ago, so #'s are increasing…but what can you definitely point to (like that) to show why Ford dropped and those other guys rose sales??
 
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Ford doesn't have enough product to grow, they are too focused on the meat of thesegments while ignoring the edges of segments where there is less competition and more opportunities for growth.
 
Ford is becoming too depending on trucks again, it reminds me of the 1990s when resources were being poured into SUVs and truck and the car lineup was basically abandoned.
 
The solution isn't more me too products, but asymmetric products like wagons, hatches and MAVs.
 

Not a great month - exactly!
Don't know how anyone can spin the fact that industry was up about 9% overall but Ford was down 1% as a "good" month.  
And again, the real competition; Toyota +13%, Nissan +18% - we all know that GM is propped up and Fiat/Chrysler's only growth is Trucks and Jeeps.
 
I am not saying "doomsday" or "end of the world" I am simply saying what is true - substantial industry growth is going to the competition and will need to be addressed.


Was does everyone here want compare ford with GM and not with Toyota?

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:05 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, innovator's dilemma. They need to sell everything they sell everywhere else except the Escort. We know.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:10 PM

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Ford isn't "dependent" on trucks like they were in the 90s nor are they ignoring the car lineup.  Quite the opposite. 

 

And there is no need to "grow" if it's only done by niche products like wagons, hatches and MAVs because there simply isn't much profit in those compared to the mainstream vehicles.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:16 PM

Amazing how much the naysayers can come up with in response to one month of sales where basically 4 vehicles (one of which, C-Max, is on the edge of a segment that is apparently so important for growth) didn't meet or surpass expectations.

 

But things are apparently hunky dory over at GM where they struggle to sell 20,000 midsize sedans a month and are needing to pile incentives on their brand new pickup just to barely cling to 2nd place, and at Chrysler who has a year old compact car that has dropped under 7000 units monthly.

 

Those two companies probably shouldn't be so worried about expanding into niche segments while they apparently still have glaring issues with some of their most important volume ones.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:47 PM

Yea seriously... some of you doom and gloom guys need to look up 2013 April results. It will put the 2014 April comparison to prior year in context. Ford is down 0.8% in 2014 because it had a gangbuster April 2013 when sales increased 17.8% vs. 2012 and Ford outpaced the industry by a HUGE margin. And the lack of new model launch in the first quarter of this year means Ford will go most of the sales gain in later part of 2014 when new Mustang, new Transit, facelift Focus, plus MKC goes on sale.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 03:26 PM

FORD BRAND
Fiesta 5,824 6,080 -4.2 21,422 22,108 -3.1
Focus 19,104 22,557 -15.3 71,007 84,455 -15.9
C-MAX 2,111 3,608 -41.5 7,677 13,285 -42.2
Fusion 26,435 26,722 -1.1 104,013 107,280 -3.0
Taurus 5,725 5,887 -2.8 18,034 22,871 -21.1
Police Interceptor Sedan 1,066 1,166 -8.6 3,351 3,624 -7.5
Mustang 7,243 7,751 -6.6 26,839 25,071 7.1
Ford Cars 67,508 73,771 -8.5 252,343 278,694 -9.5
Escape 24,579 25,826 -4.8 95,884 98,809 -3.0
Edge 7,374 10,357 -28.8 40,612 41,891 -3.1
Flex 1,649 1,808 -8.8 7,775 7,252 7.2
Explorer 16,629 14,204 17.1 58,997 62,853 -6.1
Police Interceptor Utility 1,850 1,236 49.7 5,550 3,784 46.7
Expedition 3,764 2,785 35.2 12,453 10,713 16.2
Ford Utilities 55,845 56,216 -0.7 221,271 225,302 -1.8
F-Series 63,387 59,030 7.4 236,745 227,873 3.9
E-Series 13,239 12,573 5.3 40,846 40,212 1.6
Transit Connect 3,573 2,779 28.6 11,004 13,205 -16.7
Heavy Trucks 771 600 28.5 3,269 2,267 44.2
Ford Trucks 80,970 74,982 8.0 291,864 283,557 2.9
Ford Brand 204,323 204,969 -0.3 765,478 787,553 -2.8


Ford+Lincoln is down 2.8% for the year.

Ford cars Are down 9.8% for the Year

 

Ford Trucks are up 2.9%. 

 

 

GM

http://media.gm.com/...-APRIL-2014.pdf

GM Sales were up 0.1% for the year.

 

Chevrolet down 1.2% for the year.

 

Buick Sales up, 11% for the year 

 

Toyota

http://toyota.us/1mhJzZp

 

Toyota+ Lexus up 2.1% for the year only 45,000 units from ford.

 

Toyota cars are down 6.2% for the year, but up 8.6% in April

 

Lexus makes up 12% of Toyota Sales and 12% are Pick up trucks. both are up big for 2014,Lexus up 17.9% Pickup trucks up 2.9% for 2014

 

 

What will product will help reverse the decline in Ford's Car Lineup?

 

Taurus?

 

Its just not enough product. 


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 04:13 PM

Taking the Blue I.V.  out of my veins... I am a little concerned with Ford's future. Not meaning going out of business , but keeping their new customers and maintaining sales volume. Here's my opinion or should I say my experience. My last two new Ford's ( 2011 F-150 FX4 and 2014 Fusion Titanium) have been the worst I've ever owned. Both have been back to the dealer more than my previous 10 new Fords. Let's also not count my 2008 F250 6.4L because that also saw the dealer way too much and had quite a few recalls along with a oil leak they couldn't find or fix. My F-150 still has a driveline clunking issue that can't be fixed even when they had the truck for over a month. Being on F-150 forums this is a MAJOR problem even through the new 2013's.  The Fusion rattles like a '89 Hyundai and has electrical glitches. Another HUGE problem will be with the EcoBoost engines. That's pretty much all they offer now and the vast majority of owners on forums and in public talk about how miserable their mileage is. Yes, driving habits make a difference, but even when we try to get close to the EPA figure, it doesn't happen. Even keeping up with traffic should net you pretty close, but I'm 6mpg off in my truck and the fusion is barely averaging the city claimed mpg with 60% freeway and 40% city driving (22mpg). Our Fusion which has been on three road trips has only managed 25 MPG on all highway runs with very little city driving. Mind you, this is keeping up with traffic in the fast lane so speeds vary between 68-80 mph. Our last Fusion with the 3.0L averaged 31.5 MPG going even faster around 75-85 mph on those trips. I wish they still offered that engine. These boosted motors do crap mpg wise with keeping up with traffic or being a little aggressive. Word of mouth is getting out to stay away from the EB unless you want great power, but crap MPG. Just this past weekend 4 people at the resort we were staying at complimented the car and asked about the engine. I didn't lie and once they heard what I said, they said "we've heard the same thing". This is the future engines which Ford is heading and has we worried. I will not buy another EB engine. They do nothing MPG wise with my driving style and I'm not alone. So if Ford doesn't offer non boosted power plants that make good power I'll be leaving.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 04:16 PM

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Ford isn't "dependent" on trucks like they were in the 90s nor are they ignoring the car lineup.  Quite the opposite. 
 
And there is no need to "grow" if it's only done by niche products like wagons, hatches and MAVs because there simply isn't much profit in those compared to the mainstream vehicles.


profit follows sales if your sales are Falling you profits will not be far behind. Niche product command a higher price than conventional mainstream products like the Fusion and the focus.

Toyota and Lexus sell 32 different Vehicles in the US. Ford Sells 19 different Vehicles in the US. Which company is more profitable? Toyota!

Explain how this works, they sell a wider variety of production from in low,medium and high volumes and are less dependent on Trucks than ford yet they are more profitable than Ford.
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 04:19 PM

profit follows sales if your sales are Falling you profits will not be far behind. Niche product command a higher price than conventional mainstream products like the Fusion and the focus.

Toyota and Lexus sell 32 different Vehicles in the US. Ford Sells 19 different Vehicles in the US. Which company is more profitable? Toyota!

Explain how this works, they sell a wider variety of production from in low,medium and high volumes and are less dependent on Trucks than ford yet they are more profitable than Ford.

 

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Study that phrase.  Learn it, love it, live it!  Once you figure that out, then maybe we can begin to have intelligent conversations in this area.  Until then, refrain from posting drivel like this.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 04:44 PM

 

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Study that phrase.  Learn it, love it, live it!  Once you figure that out, then maybe we can begin to have intelligent conversations in this area.  Until then, refrain from posting drivel like this.

 

Drivel?

 

Explain how Toyota does what Dean, Richard and Nick say ford shouldn't do and Toyota is more profitable than Ford? At the current rate ford could end up the #3 automaker in the US behind GM and Toyota this year.  


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 04:49 PM

 

Drivel?

 

Explain how Toyota does what Dean, Richard and Nick say ford shouldn't do and Toyota is more profitable than Ford? At the current rate ford could end up the #3 automaker in the US behind GM and Toyota this year.  

 

This is the drivel that you spewed:  Brand X makes more models.  Brand X makes more profit.  Therefore, making more models makes you more profitable.

 

Because, you know, everything else is exactly the same across both companies.  The number of models is the only difference between the two companies.  


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:23 PM

Correlation does not equal causation.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:39 PM

 

Drivel?

 

Explain how Toyota does what Dean, Richard and Nick say ford shouldn't do and Toyota is more profitable than Ford? At the current rate ford could end up the #3 automaker in the US behind GM and Toyota this year.  

 

Ford is already number 3. Toyota+Subaru passed Ford last year.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 06:41 PM

 

Drivel?

 

Explain how Toyota does what Dean, Richard and Nick say ford shouldn't do and Toyota is more profitable than Ford? At the current rate ford could end up the #3 automaker in the US behind GM and Toyota this year.  

 

 

I'll take that one. I've owned five Toyota products over the years and three within the last three years and while they are good products they are not nearly as good as the hype they get.  They are reliable and well built but they are also overpriced for the feature content you get by comparison to other brands such as Ford or GM or Hyundai.  They can get away with charging more money for less car because a lot of people believe in the hype or believe in the perception that Toyota has worked hard to cultivate that their cars are just naturally better.  In some respects it may be true but for the most part their cars really aren't any better from a quality and longevity point as anything Ford or other brands make.  Now as far as Ford being 3rd place behind GM and Toyota, . . . so what.  Is there some rule that says only the top two car manufacturers will stay in business and all others will go out of business?  Will Ford suddenly file bankruptcy because they are 3rd place?  Will Ford's employees suffer a lower standard of living? Obviously the answer is no to all of these.  I personally couldn't care less if Ford is 1st or 3rd and aside from the tiny fraction of a percent of people on these forums that pay attention to such statistics neither could the rest of the world.  


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 07:43 PM

Market share, profit per unit, and overall profits are all important. Of the three profit per unit can be the most variable in measuring success since you might want to just break even on entry level vehicles to get younger people into your brand. Honda willingly loses money on selling the Japanese made Fit (currency exchange, etc.) in our market to do just this. History shows us a lot of truth to the business axiom that if you aren't growing you are dying. History also shows us that if you invest too much in chasing unprofitable volume you die, or you are run for a while by a government car czar. You can slowly become unpalatably boring and wither away by chasing only the highest volume niches while minimizing investment. This worked for Mulally and was right for the time, but I worry about staying too rigid for too long with the strategy. Toyota seems to be able to do well with market share and profits, year after year. We argue about the merits of one verse the other.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 07:58 PM

1 - how old is the Camry platform?

 

2 - how many vehicles did Ford and Toyota sell in Japan?

 

Those are the only clues you need.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:44 PM

"New Explorer will not sell, it's not BOF/V8" :drop:   "The D3 is a flop, just cancel all of it"

 

:happy feet:   Ford is laughing on the way to the bank, getting it's money's worth from the 'flop D3 platform'. :headspin:

Explorer is doing very well, but I'm starting to wonder if building the Flex is still worth it at this point.  I know it has a little "fan club" but when Explorer is selling 16,000+ units in a month and the Flex is at 1,600+ it doesn't seem to make much sense.  I'm guessing if the Flex wasn't offered a good chunk of those 1,600 would end up buying an Explorer anyhow.  I'm not even going to comment on the MKT because I don't see how that vehicle has a future in the new Lincoln anyhow.

 

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:55 PM

There is not much savings to kill them now and they do have very high ATPs.  It's not like you can close a plant or a shift.   I'd be very surprised if they get renewed on the new platform.



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