rmc523 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/16/2015-toyota-camry-new-york-2014/ So they put a spindle grille on it and gave it ES taillights.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 That C-pillar treatment is one of the worst I've ever seen. "Hey Bob, what are we going to do to cover up that the C-pillar hasn't been changed since the H.W.Bush administration?" "Great question, Phil! How about a fake window?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 You know those cheesy little sail panels on the Contour, Mystique, and Cruze? This is worse than those. Way worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 That C-pillar treatment is one of the worst I've ever seen. "Hey Bob, what are we going to do to cover up that the C-pillar hasn't been changed since the H.W.Bush administration?" "Great question, Phil! How about a fake window?" I saw that - "now featuring an all new greenhouse design!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yep - that's the one I saw in the focus group last year. I told you it was a slight improvement but nothing earth-shattering. It will satisfy the current Camry customers and keep them in the fold but this won't garner any conquest sales. The rest of the Focus group (Fusion, Optima, Volvo, Avenger, Accord drivers) felt exactly the same way. We were expecting to see something great (I was expecting to see a new Ford product) and were greatly disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 That front end shape remind me of this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yep - that's the one I saw in the focus group last year. I told you it was a slight improvement but nothing earth-shattering. It will satisfy the current Camry customers and keep them in the fold but this won't garner any conquest sales. The rest of the Focus group (Fusion, Optima, Volvo, Avenger, Accord drivers) felt exactly the same way. We were expecting to see something great (I was expecting to see a new Ford product) and were greatly disappointed. Did the front-end treatment garner many pro or con comments? That grille opening gets more polarizing the longer I look at it, especially for this class of car. The back end looks like it was cribbed directly from the Hyundai Sonata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 That C-pillar treatment is one of the worst I've ever seen. "Hey Bob, what are we going to do to cover up that the C-pillar hasn't been changed since the H.W.Bush administration?" "Great question, Phil! How about a fake window?" Oh, it's changed. It's gotten wider and wider and wider. That's how they've managed to stretch out the '92 model without a substantial tear-up. Shoot. I'll bet they're still running the exhaust under the lower control arms on the rear suspension. And this? This is like wearing a loose fitting dark shirt with vertical stripes to hide your weight gain. Only more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) This car just reeks of design frustration.... Of people who are trying to do a decent job, but who have neither the budget nor the freedom to do what needs to be done. I do not believe that Japanese execs can be persuaded that the Camry needs to be replaced. And I cannot believe that engineers and designers working on the Camry are unaware of its massive shortcomings. And, unlike Ford in the 00s, Toyota does not have business units elsewhere in their empire skilled in the engineering of new, cost-effective platforms. I think they are rapidly losing the ability to engineer a new platform, and that they will continue to do these 'grandfather's ax' upgrades to their stable of vehicles. I do not think that Subaru can provide an engineering basis for new Toyota products. Their products are neither economical nor universally appealing. Allowing Subaru to design the next Camry would make it irrelevant at once instead of gradually over time. Edited April 16, 2014 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 But people will still buy this POS because it's a Toyota. Lets follow the sheep, LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 That C-pillar treatment is one of the worst I've ever seen. "Hey Bob, what are we going to do to cover up that the C-pillar hasn't been changed since the H.W.Bush administration?" "Great question, Phil! How about a fake window?" My best guess is this is a cost cutting measure, because it won't be a fake window in the ES-350 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timf Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It looks like they used the same design team for the Camry as the NX with that oversized black expanse of a grille. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) But people will still buy this POS because it's a Toyota. Lets follow the sheep, LOL Yep-They will sell a ton of them! Edited April 16, 2014 by CKNSLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Did the front-end treatment garner many pro or con comments? That grille opening gets more polarizing the longer I look at it, especially for this class of car. The back end looks like it was cribbed directly from the Hyundai Sonata. The front end (especially the lighting) and the wheels were the only part that we really liked. I can't remember which grille was on the prototype - seems like there were 2 options. The rest of the car was "meh" it's a camry. And they showed pictures of the exterior and interior for the new camry and all of the other major competitors. The interiors all looked the same from 10 feet away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 My best guess is this is a cost cutting measure, because it won't be a fake window in the ES-350 version. The ES series is based on the Avalon, which is strectched out Camry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yep-They will sell a ton of them! GM sold a ton of cars for several years after their management went sour. Their sales did not mean that their management was competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It is hideous! But worse – I will have to see them all over the road just like the equally hideous new Tundra, Highlander, RAV4 and even more hideous (if that is possible) 4Runner. My gosh, are these vehicles that good that even if you try to turn people off they still line up to buy them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) Yeesh. The front doesn't belong with the rest of the car. Come to think of but, the front doesn't belong on ANY car. Edited April 16, 2014 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan1 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Can the lower grille get any bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) Does the car really need that much cooling that the grille has to be as big as, yet, much less attractive than, the one on a Super Duty? Edited April 16, 2014 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 A different grille XLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Are these the Tom Selleck editions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If the '99 Focus launched the 'styled surface' era of automotive design, it appears that the most recent Fiesta launched the 'trout mouth' era of automotive design--at least based on this alleged vehicle and the Cruze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exploder48 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Holy crap, it went from absolutely boring to absolutely ugly. That front end mouth is hideous. BTW, does anybody else think that the "new" Avalon looks just like a Fusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The old Fusion officially loses the "Mach III" title to the new Camry: Actually, that looks more like a "Mach VI" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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