Bluecon Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Hyundai moving upscale for $25K. The market gets more competetive.Upscale http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=107629 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 "Under the big Hyundai's hood lies a new ultralow emissions (ULEV) DOHC 3.8-liter, V6 engine with continuously variable valve timing (CVVT). Rated at 263 horsepower and 255 pound-feet of torque, this refined V6 is big brother to the Sonata's smooth 3.3-liter V6." Yet another large midsize that thoroughly outclasses the Chicago triplets under the hood. Get with the program Ford!!! I know the 3.5 is "coming". But 2008 is TOO far off. It NEEDS it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 (edited) "Koreans are never satisfied" Snort. Because this board is just chock full of satisfied Americans and Canadians. I HATE ethnic stereotyping. "Under the big Hyundai's hood lies a new ultralow emissions (ULEV) DOHC 3.8-liter, V6 engine with continuously variable valve timing (CVVT)." Ooooh. Meanwhile Ford is months away from launching only the second SULEV V6 (and only a few months after Ford launched the first). The difference between SULEV and ULEV is an order of magnitude, in most metrics. "A well-timed five-speed automatic transmission with a gated shifter comes standard with the single-engine offering." Meanwhile, Ford is standardizing on 6-speeds "The luxury sedan receives two additional airbags to Hyundai's typical six-count for a total of eight, plus standard traction control. Standard antilock brakes with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD) help bring the Azera to a safe stop." "The base model Azera SE is expected to enter the market around $25,000," On the Five Hundred, you can have side impact airbags and traction control for the same price. Actually for around a thousand dollars less. Plus more room and available AWD. In fact you can have ABS, traction control, side airbags, and AWD for a little over the Azera's starting price. What about the warranty? That brings the price of the Five Hundred (equipped to match the base Azera) to just a little over the Azera's price. "Hopefully incentives like the world's best warranty; a low, low price; and an increasing track record for reliability will drive the Azera toward a place in the spotlight. And allow Mr. Choe to take a well-earned vacation." Does anything need to be said about this? Edited December 19, 2005 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Oh, and by the way, it's way uglier than the Five Hundred. It makes the Lucerne and LaCrosse look like pure expressions of design briliance, by comparison. It is a modern day ZIL of a luxury car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 Oh, and by the way, it's way uglier than the Five Hundred. It makes the Lucerne and LaCrosse look like pure expressions of design briliance, by comparison. It is a modern day ZIL of a luxury car. Some more pictures: http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...3-5094/TG11.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...3-5097/TG14.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...5-5101/TG18.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...5-5102/TG19.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...5-5103/TG20.jpg Not a German styling masterpiece but away ahead of the 500. (unless you are over the age of 75years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FOCI Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 what a poop wagon, the front looks like a toiletota and the rear is just horrid! Can't wait for the first fat chain smoking white guy to drive past me in that so I can make fun of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM Summer Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Not a German styling masterpiece but away ahead of the 500. (unless you are over the age of 75years) Well, the Azera certainly has sags and bulges in all the wrong places... like someone over the age of 75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Not a German styling masterpiece but away ahead of the 500. (unless you are over the age of 75years) I'm gonna have to disagree on that too. I'm not hot over the 500, but it is a clean, well-proportioned design. In fact, I'm witholding judgment until I see it, but I think that the planned pasting-on of the Fusion (427) grill as a rear-guard action against charges of blandness may be a mistake. The Azera, on the other hand, has swoops and doops and ooops. Design is like speaking: "It is better to remain silent and be thought an idiot, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." Hyundai's stylist would have done well to leave the pen in its holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 ...all what you all said and... It'll sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 One of the benefits of using an antique puter system is that it can help quantify the styling of vehicles like this - ie it wasn't worth my time to let (more than one of) the pictures download. So its looks aren't so hot - what's important is the effort Hyundai is putting into upgrading its image. The effort shows imho. F'rInstance - features - seems to me they're targeting a lot of the same customers Mercury is. FML needs to & will be upping the ante - 'course some things have to be in Lincolns before the others get 'em - just wish it would happen quicker. quote(myself) The options/features of the Milan should be a bit different imho - putting fog & puddle lites on ALL Milans is my main gripe/suggestion. Of what's currently available, if I was in charge of a dealer's inventory, I'd probably add - alloys on most base 4cyls (+$395) - T/A to all v6's (+$95) - abs on most base models (+$595) - air curtain on at least half of both base & Premier (+$595) - comfort pkg & heated seats on a lot of Premiers (+$890). Actually, I'd probably suggest having just one trim level with moonroof, HID headlites, climate, heated leather, nav, & audio pkgs as standalone options - maybe make "Premier" = all options (except nav) std. Btw I like the 16" alloys, they'd be my preference, but an 18" option should be available - at least for trendy markets. Seems to me Milan has to straddle highline Camcords and people who want Acura/Infifiti/Audi features but not-quite pay for them. /quote Hope a lot of this stuff shows up next year. Hope the slowest selling colors are replaced with new ones. Hope Jill has a looooong term contract. Hope the effort to improve shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarBear Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 ...all what you all said and... It'll sell. Damned straight it will- and whatever isn't working in the marketplace will get fixed pronto. Hyundais learning curve is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 ...all what you all said and... It'll sell. The Sonata will sell, this azura HELL NO. Some how hyundai got the look right for the sonata but this one is just the same old UGLY they dominate in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llog215 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Some more pictures: http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...3-5094/TG11.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...3-5097/TG14.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...5-5101/TG18.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...5-5102/TG19.jpg http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...5-5103/TG20.jpg Not a German styling masterpiece but away ahead of the 500. (unless you are over the age of 75years) I have to disagree. The exterior styling is a joke compared to the 500. While the 500 does not set the styling world on fire, it is classy and well proportioned. The Azera looks confused. However, IMHO the interior is a step ahead of the 500s. It seems more upscale. It's hard to tell until you can actually see and feel the materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 The Sonata will sell, this azura HELL NO. Some how hyundai got the look right for the sonata but this one is just the same old UGLY they dominate in. Of course they got the Sonata right. They already knew the Accord sells well. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 I have to disagree. The exterior styling is a joke compared to the 500. While the 500 does not set the styling world on fire, it is classy and well proportioned. The Azera looks confused. However, IMHO the interior is a step ahead of the 500s. It seems more upscale. It's hard to tell until you can actually see and feel the materials. I think the 500 is butt ugly. How could the same people who styled the Fusion make such a mess of the 500. The 500 looks like they took 2 or 3 different cars and cobbled them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Of course they got the Sonata right. They already knew the Accord sells well. :lol: Ya your right, it does look like a counterfiet honda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llog215 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think the 500 is butt ugly. How could the same people who styled the Fusion make such a mess of the 500.The 500 looks like they took 2 or 3 different cars and cobbled them together. They're not supposed to be styled the same. They are aimed at different market segments. The 500 was purposely styled more conservatively than the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 (edited) Well, being that style is, for the most part, in the eye of the beholder (as this thread is proving with the differing opinions on the looks), there are some interesting features the car has for a sub-$30k vehicle (yes the Chicago cars do have many of these as well)... * Electro-luminescent instrument panel * Power tilt-and-telescopic steering wheel (tied into memory features) * Power-adjustable pedals (tied into memory features) * Power windows with illuminated switches More * Power rear sunshade (interesting in a sub $50K car) * Automatic dual-climate control system * Air Quality System * Infinity® premium audio system More * Rain-sensing wipers (again, becoming more standard on premium vehicles) * LED taillights (Mercury has them though, but everyone made a big deal about them) * Steering-wheel-mounted audio controls * More total interior volume than the Toyota Avalon or the Nissan Maxima * Electronic Stability Control / 4 Wheel ABS / Traction Control / Brakeforce * 263 hp / 255 tq On the Five Hundred, you can have side impact airbags and traction control for the same price. Actually for around a thousand dollars less. Plus more room..... Surprisingly...they are pretty equal in interior size.... Here's the interior dimensions of both the Azera and the Five Hundred: Five Hundred / Azera Seating (Standard) 5 / 5 No advantage Seating (Optional) N/A / N/A No Advantage Headroom (Front) 39.4 / 40.2 Advantage Hyundai Headroom (Row 2) 38.7 / 38.2 Advantage Ford Hiproom (Front) 53.7 / 55.5 Advantage Hyundai Hiproom (Row 2) 53.7 / 55.1 Advantage Hyundai Legroom (Front) 41.3 / 43.7 Advantage Hyundai Legroom (Row 2) 41.3 / 38.2 Advantage Ford Shoulder Room (Front) 57.8 / 57.9 Advantage Hyundai Shoulder Room (Row 2) 57.6 / 57.1 Advantage Ford Seating (Maximum) 5 / 5 No Advantage Cargo Volume 21 / 17 Advantage Ford ...and for those thousands who tow with their Five Hundreds and Azeras :rolleyes: Tow Capacity (Standard) 1000 / 1000 No Advantage Tow Capacity (Maximum) 1000 / 2000 Advantage Hyundai Edited December 20, 2005 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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