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#1 OFFLINE   ANTAUS

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:29 AM

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:49 AM

Overall great results!  Flat Rock can't come online soon enough, as I'm guessing supply is what's causing the drop in Fusion sales.

 

All three Ford utility vehicles are on pace to set sales records this year, with Escape up 4 percent in July to 22,343 vehicles sold and Explorer up 13 percent to 12,742 vehicles sold. Edge also posted a record July with 10,541 vehicles sold, a 15 percent increase from last year.

 

Seems like there is a utility in there that Ford has forgotten about...


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

F-series is up 22% yoy 

 

Fiesta up 89%!

 

PI utility is outselling the PI Taurus  - 1347 to 903.  2250 combined for the month.  Does anyone remember what a typical month for CV sales was?


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:53 AM

Seems like there is a utility in there that Ford has forgotten about...

 

Good catch fordmantpw! Interestingly enough, the PDF document summarizing July 2013 sales has six entries under "Ford Utilities", including Police Interceptor Utility that jpvbs mentioned.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:12 AM

Good catch fordmantpw! Interestingly enough, the PDF document summarizing July 2013 sales has six entries under "Ford Utilities", including Police Interceptor Utility that jpvbs mentioned.

 

I was thinking more the Flex and Expedition and wasn't counting the PIU, but technically, it should be counted too.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:24 PM

Wonder how many more C-Max's would have been sold had there not been a stop sale on them.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:57 PM

Yet another great month from a car company who refused to accept government bail outs.

 

Do we know the best selling powertrains are for the Escape and Fusion? I'm thinking the 1.6 EB for both?


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:03 PM

Does anyone remember what a typical month for CV sales was?

 

I've got 2006 avgs handy

 

CV=5,248 - MGM=4,557 - TC=3,274


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:35 PM

F-series is up 22% yoy 

 

Fiesta up 89%!

 

PI utility is outselling the PI Taurus  - 1347 to 903.  2250 combined for the month.  Does anyone remember what a typical month for CV sales was?

 

 

Does Ford make money off of the Fiesta when sold in the US?



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:44 PM

Does Ford make money off of the Fiesta when sold in the US?

 

Probably, considering the Fiesta is built in Mexico.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:37 PM

Nice little pop on the Taurus.  Notice the Mustang is down YTD over 12, not just for the month.  I imagine that driven by the need for a bit of a refresh and probably some delayed purchasing (maybe?) for people wanting the "feel" of having the 50th anniversary car.

I think most striking is how Escape's YTD numbers are within striking distance of the Fusion's numbers---making a close race for the #2 seller in the lineup overall.  I know what's largely behind it, but I can't help feeling a bit disappointed by the Fusion's numbers.  (Side note, I saw on Autoblog's Twitter when the #'s were released today that the Altima had ~ 29k this month.  That makes me even sadder when I see the Fusion's 20k number).

 

And no, I don't actually care about the sales figures.  I only care about those numbers that Ford released about a week ago.  Profit is the ONLY number that matters.  But still...


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:52 PM

For the purposes of these sales reports when do Ford, GM, Chrysler and Toyota count sales?

 

Do they count sales when vehicles are shipped from the factory to the dealer, or when they are ultimately sold to the customer?



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:57 PM

For the purposes of these sales reports when do Ford, GM, Chrysler and Toyota count sales?

 

Do they count sales when vehicles are shipped from the factory to the dealer, or when they are ultimately sold to the customer?

 

A sale isn't booked until it is delivered to a customer.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:09 PM

A sale isn't booked until it is delivered to a customer.

 

What if a dealer buys the car?  



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:14 PM

 
What if a dealer buys the car?  

Then they are the customer just like us unless they're only doing it to inflate sales figures like the Germans do.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:42 PM


I have read conflicting reports.
 

"Auto companies count vehicles as sold when they are shipped from the factory to the dealer, not when they are ultimately purchased by the consumer." - NYT

http://www.nytimes.c...agewanted=print


"Ford counts a sale when the customer drives it off the dealer lot. Chebby....when its shipped from the factory."

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"the poster is getting two thinggs confused. GM counts the money as a sale when it is wholsalewd to a dealer. It is reported as a retail sale when the dealer reports the customer information to GM. So all the cars on a dealers lot have not been repoerted sold."

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"GM does not sell cars to consumers. Their dealers do. The dealer is the customer of GM and GM sales are to dealers. I worked in the industry for 30 years and sales were always reported as sales to dealers, not end users."

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"we've told you about this many times. GM counts a "sale" as when a vehicle leaves the factory and is "sold" to a dealer… not necessarily when it is sold to an end customer."

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"But remember that Ford counts sales upon shipment to the dealerships, not on dealership sales to consumers"

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"what is not surprising is that GM management has once again resorted to the age old gimmick which never fails to provide an artificial boost to the true condition of GM car sales, i.e., Channel Stuffing."

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"A sale is a delivery to the dealership.

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No it's not.

A sale, as reported by all manufacturers on the first of every month, is a delivery to a customer.

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we're not talking abt "all manufaturers", we're simply talking about GM

so, if this is true for GM and we define "customer" as "dealer", perhaps you may begin to see the point by the end of 2013"

http://www.zerohedge...s-all-time-high

 

Which is it?



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:25 PM

Which is it?

 

With Ford (and just about everybody else*), the sale "counts" when a flesh-and-blood customer signs the contract and drives it away. A dealer taking delivery of a stock unit does not count as a sale for the purpose of these reports.

 

*BMW caught some shit over the last year or so for pushing dealers to "buy" additional units for to inflate their numbers, I believe when they were neck-and-neck fighting for the "#1 luxury brand" title.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:58 AM

I've got 2006 avgs handy

 

CV=5,248 - MGM=4,557 - TC=3,274

That was a LOT of Panthers.....


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 08:02 AM

That was a LOT of Panthers.....

 

 

Auto market was "healthier" saleswise back then too...16.5 Million cars sold vs 12.8 or so last year...


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 10:41 AM


Which is it?

 

Simple:

 

In accounting terms, as part of quarterly and annual reports, companies book revenue when vehicles are 'sold' to dealers.

 

In terms of units sold reported as part of the CAFE requirements, sales are tallied when vehicles are delivered to customers.


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