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Ford owners sue, saying EcoBoost engine defective


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#1 OFFLINE   ChuckZ

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:37 PM

The lawsuit says the 3.5-liter V6 EcoBoost engine can shudder, shake and then rapidly lose power while drivers are accelerating.

 

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#2 OFFLINE   Deanh

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:48 PM

The lawsuit says the 3.5-liter V6 EcoBoost engine can shudder, shake and then rapidly lose power while drivers are accelerating.

 

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no link Chuck.....funny though, usually when theres a supposed issue its usually a Lemon Law issue...lawsuit reeks of class action.......and I havent heard many complaints about the 3.5 at all, in fact, on what Ive witnessed its exemplary.....


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:32 AM

This is old news. It was an issue with condensation building up and being sucked into the engine. Ford made a quick fix for it last year and it fixed the problem. The problem was the parts getting to dealers.


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#4 OFFLINE   mettech

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:42 AM

http://www.freep.com...coboost-lawsuit

 

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#5 OFFLINE   Deanh

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

This is old news. It was an issue with condensation building up and being sucked into the engine. Ford made a quick fix for it last year and it fixed the problem. The problem was the parts getting to dealers.

well then, so much for that lawsuit.....seriously...this lawsuit at the drop of a hat mentality has to stop...


" Sizzler "...and 412hp is all you'll ever see from this engine.I'd rather have potential. The 5.0 is the very definition of being at death's door with no place to go. "Mettech"....Privately owned dealerships is so 19th Century.....Richard So, Dean, you gonna pull my words from your sig?. Sully (reg new Escape) Clearly, the Escape/Kuga/Vertrek/Fail will not sell in the same volume as the Escape does currently

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:29 AM

Yeah this is one big story:  3 people suing with little or no damages.  Must be a slow news week.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:39 PM

Our 2011 F-150 had the surging and loss-of-power problem on long interstate drives, when raining or very humid.  Took it to the dealer, back-ordered the TSB parts, called when they were in, and problem gone.  We have almost 70,000 trouble-free miles on our truck, and we LOVE it!  This is a non-issue.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:31 PM

My 2010 SHO had the surge/loss of power. Took it in and they performed some TSB's and she is good to go. Still a stumble from the trans every so often. Might take it back in once I get better situated to do so. One of the issues were spark plugs I believe. (early build car)


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:41 PM

When they shut down and shudder its a pretty scary situation, shudder doesn't describe it. Its straight violent.

 

I hauled it in after being able to repeat the issue a few times in a row, but no parts on my SCREW F150 EB just a reflash and a pat on the ass. So far so good on the shudder. It also cleared up the off the line stumble that I now believe was a misfire. Rattles a little at slow speed and medium load (more misfiring I think). 

 

I'm pretty sure I won't be able to give this truck away in a few years, the shudder, engine rattles and the condition/smell of the oil and a ton of condensation under the oil cap makes me believe it won't be long for this world. 

 

Its cool though- I love the truck.  Try not to worry- try to believe it will be fine and its normal. 



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:16 PM

So have you ridden with a tech and shown him what it is doing? If something cannot be duplicated, it cannot be fixed. The tech probably does not drive it EXACTLY like you do and may not be able to have the issue happen. And moisture under the cap is not an issue. The cap is the highest point in the crankcase and it is not vented there. Moisture builds up.  


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

seriously...this lawsuit at the drop of a hat mentality has to stop...

 

I wonder if Ford's lawyers are in on it: Find creative ways for Ford to be sued, get their buddies in on the lawsuit, and they get job security from defending the suit. 

 

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

Over 15,000 F150 Ecoboost sales each month says that this is pretty much a non issue...



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

I wonder if Ford's lawyers are in on it: Find creative ways for Ford to be sued, get their buddies in on the lawsuit, and they get job security from defending the suit. 

I'm pretty sure that'd be a good way to get yourself disbarred. Your loyalty is to your client, not yourself.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:41 PM

In the past three years,  Ford has probably sold well over 500,000 V6 Ecoboost F150s, anyone thinking that these trucks will turn into unloved lemons is deluded.

If anything, I predict that the EB V6 will become a cult engine  as the aftermarket develops performance kits to turn them into tire frying giant killers.



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

So have you ridden with a tech and shown him what it is doing? If something cannot be duplicated, it cannot be fixed. The tech probably does not drive it EXACTLY like you do and may not be able to have the issue happen. And moisture under the cap is not an issue. The cap is the highest point in the crankcase and it is not vented there. Moisture builds up.  

 

Of course it can't be repeated with the tech- when does that ever happen. I drove it 500 miles to Minneapolis get to a dealer that isn't a month+ out on service (North Dakota is out of control), and it won't do it even though I could made it happen at will (floor it at 70 mph) all the way to the dealer. 

 

Anyways the moisture under the cap was definitely not insignificant. The inside of the cap was nearly filled with white emulsified water/oil. Stick your finger in a peanut butter jar and scoop, thats how much was built up under the cap. 

 

I keep buying Fords, I have had an assload of them, I've spent nearly a 100k on them since 2009. I'm always impressed overall but since I'm an enthusiast I spot and obsess about the flaws. The last 3, Fusion Hybrid I had one of the first ones a summer 2009 delivery- brakes- a female Ford engineer called me directly about it- reflash released shortly after that dealt with the regenerative braking. The Job1 2011 Fiesta's with no way to disable traction control- massive safety issue in the snow- I tried my hardest and was stonewalled the whole way. Now the F150 Ecoboost- misfiring and stalling- to Fords credit the reflash seems to have addressed all of the stalling and some of the misfiring. 



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 08:33 AM

In the past three years,  Ford has probably sold well over 500,000 V6 Ecoboost F150s, anyone thinking that these trucks will turn into unloved lemons is deluded.

If anything, I predict that the EB V6 will become a cult engine  as the aftermarket develops performance kits to turn them into tire frying giant killers.

The people on this site are nerdy enthusiasts like me- own one- you will love it, I love it. 

 

You need to do your own service and there is no way you won't have nagging reservations about the thing if you pay attention to how it operates. 



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:02 PM

Of course it can't be repeated with the tech- when does that ever happen. I drove it 500 miles to Minneapolis get to a dealer that isn't a month+ out on service (North Dakota is out of control)

 

NB for outside readers: dealers are backed up on service because of the oil boom.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

NB for outside readers: dealers are backed up on service because of the oil boom.

 

That's what I assumed. An example of how prosperity in any industry spreads itself through a region, just as much as how the downfall of an existing industry spreads itself through the entire region (see: any rust-belt industry). 



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 01:05 PM

Nevermind the POS $28,000 2012 Focus Titanium with the transmission that bogs down and wont move through an intersection or completely stalls the engine. It keeps going into the dealer for reprogramming. Meanwhile we wait to see if it happens again and causes an accident.

On top of that the mass airflow sensor on my 2011 Ranger which had 10,000 miles took a dump at 70 mph on the interstate while traveling away from home and completely disabled the vehicle. I was fortunate enough to move to the shoulder of the road before a tractor trailer flattened me.

Last and final Ford ever...

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:51 AM

Nevermind the POS $28,000 2012 Focus Titanium with the transmission that bogs down and wont move through an intersection or completely stalls the engine. It keeps going into the dealer for reprogramming. Meanwhile we wait to see if it happens again and causes an accident.

On top of that the mass airflow sensor on my 2011 Ranger which had 10,000 miles took a dump at 70 mph on the interstate while traveling away from home and completely disabled the vehicle. I was fortunate enough to move to the shoulder of the road before a tractor trailer flattened me.

Last and final Ford ever...

 

It's a good thing Fords are the only vehicles with problems. You're in the clear from now on!


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