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#41 OFFLINE   FordBuyer

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:34 PM

Every review I've read has panned the base engine in the ATS (while praising the chassis), so I would imagine you have to buy the upgraded drivetrain to get a vehicle that is really competitive in its class. That has to be figured into any price comparison.

 

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Every review I've read has panned the base engine in the ATS (while praising the chassis), so I would imagine you have to buy the upgraded drivetrain to get a vehicle that is really competitive in its class. That has to be figured into any price comparison.

 

The 270hp ATS turbo doesn't perform that well compared to the BMW 240hp turbo. Not sure if it's weight, or something else. 0-60 comparo times are almost a second off from BMW. Price and subjective looks are the only reason to pick an ATS over the BMW if you are looking at best irrespecitve if it's domestic or not. And maybe ownership costs after warranty.


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#42 OFFLINE   papilgee4evaeva

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

The 270hp ATS turbo doesn't perform that well compared to the BMW 240hp turbo. Not sure if it's weight, or something else. 0-60 comparo times are almost a second off from BMW. Price and subjective looks are the only reason to pick an ATS over the BMW if you are looking at best irrespecitve if it's domestic or not. And maybe ownership costs after warranty.

 

As far as weight, the two cars are extremely close.

 

Many believe it's the ATS's gearing that makes it slower.  Or the claim that the 328i is grossly underrated.  Or both.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

As far as weight, the two cars are extremely close.

 

Many believe it's the ATS's gearing that makes it slower.  Or the claim that the 328i is grossly underrated.  Or both.

 

I also believe the ATS fuel mileage in combined driving is about 22mpg to BMW's 26mpg. Hard to beat BMW when you take it head on. Laguna Seca Mustang probably came the closest when taking on BMW M3 V8. ATS is nice RWD luxury performance vehicle for the price, but not in BMW's league otherwise. Now to see what the new CTS can do. Good luck.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:18 PM

Camaro 7949 (-17.43%)

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I think the Mustang's price is hurting it more than anything.  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great value for what you get.  But, a GT starts over $30K and when you add a few options, you can get up to $40K pretty easy.  It wasn't that long ago when it was pretty hard to option a GT up to $30K.  I know, I know, the V6 Mustang has more HP than the older GT's, blah, blah, blah.  It's a great car and a great value as well, but it's still a V6.  For me, a Mustang should have a V8 and if you want one, it's going to cost you a lot. 

 

I still don't get why people are buying the Camaro.  Bias aside, it looks okay on the outside I guess, but that interior, high belt line & poor outward visibility would kill it for me.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:32 PM

I would agree with that. I'm not impressed with the Camaro and just its bath tub feeling and horrible sight lines is enough.  I was able to sway 2 people into purchasing a Mustang instead. I just told them THAT fact and when they sat in it, they found it uncomfortable. I just helped plant the "seeds" on that view :-)

 

I have one friend that bought the most cheapest of the GT, it has nothing BUT having the V8. Its his midlife crisis and he drives 5MPH under the speed limit. Usually the wife or I have to take it and drive it like it's ment to be driven. I know he paid $32K for it but that goes on where I and others have been stating for awhile. It's time for Ford to venture into the FWD Coupe market $16-28K, the Mustang is just growing in price and performance.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:48 PM

I think the Mustang's price is hurting it more than anything.  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great value for what you get.  But, a GT starts over $30K and when you add a few options, you can get up to $40Kretty easy.  It wasn't that long ago when it was pretty hard to option a GT up to $30K.  I know, I know, the V6 Mustang has more HP than the older GT's, blah, blah, blah.  It's a great car and a great value as well, but it's still a V6.  For me, a Mustang should have a V8 and if you want one, it's going to cost you a lot. 

 

 

The 2009 Mustang saw a price bump, but in all honesty, you were already paying that amount if you got a loaded GT anyways. My GT with nearly everything but Shaker 1000 and Automatic was 29K...the new Mustang has a hell of alot more options and a nicer interior than my GT ever will

 

The price difference between a GT Premium and the Camaro SS is $550 bucks in the Camaros favor...


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:44 PM

 
It wasn't that long ago when it was pretty hard to option a GT up to $30K. 
What do you mean by "not that long ago". My 05 GT listed for $28,001. It's a standard trim, not the Premium. You could exceed $30,000 on the 05 models and that was 8 years ago.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:55 AM

What do you mean by "not that long ago". My 05 GT listed for $28,001. It's a standard trim, not the Premium. You could exceed $30,000 on the 05 models and that was 8 years ago.

 

So, evidently, longer than 8 years ago.   :idea:


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:54 AM

What do you mean by "not that long ago". My 05 GT listed for $28,001. It's a standard trim, not the Premium. You could exceed $30,000 on the 05 models and that was 8 years ago.

 

I guess my point was, you could go to the Ford dealer prior to 2009 and get a pretty well loaded GT for less than $30K whereas the 13 GT starts at $30K.  I was looking online at used Mustangs and at CarMax, they had several Boss Mustangs with low miles for less than $40K and some 2011 and newer GT500's for around $45K.  If I was in the market for a new Mustang, I would probably look at a used Boss or GT500 before I would buy a new GT or wait until the next gen comes out.  I'm probably not the only one which could explain the lower Mustang sales.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:19 PM

I hear you NLP, I was also tinkering online and couldn't build a decent equipped 5.0 for under 36k. That's a lot of cash for a pony car. I wanted a fun "weekend" car and after building one, it doesn't look like it will happen with a new car. It's strange because I can build a full option Titanium Fusion for 34k. I would think the Mustang is a less expensive "easier" car to build at the factory :shrug:


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

That's a lot of cash for a pony car. 

 

IMHO, you get what you pay for. When you pay for a 5.0 you get super-pony car performance. Same for Camaro. If regular "pony car" performance is your desire, the current V-6 Mustang with the track pack exceeds the performance of maybe 75% of all "pony cars" ever built to date. And V-6 Mustangs aren't a lot of cash, if you option wisely. :)


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

IMHO, you get what you pay for. When you pay for a 5.0 you get super-pony car performance. Same for Camaro. If regular "pony car" performance is your desire, the current V-6 Mustang with the track pack exceeds the performance of maybe 75% of all "pony cars" ever built to date. And V-6 Mustangs aren't a lot of cash, if you option wisely. :)

 

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

IMHO, you get what you pay for. When you pay for a 5.0 you get super-pony car performance. Same for Camaro. If regular "pony car" performance is your desire, the current V-6 Mustang with the track pack exceeds the performance of maybe 75% of all "pony cars" ever built to date. And V-6 Mustangs aren't a lot of cash, if you option wisely. :)

 

Excatly...it was less then 10 years ago when the Cobra didn't even have 400 HP. Heck outside of the Camaro (which is priced nearly the same) how many other cars can you touch that have 400+ HP that start at 30K 

 

30K isn't alot of money for car these days...the avg transaction price of a car is $26K or so. 

 

Everything gets more expensive...hopefully your income keeps up with it. 


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:11 PM

 
IMHO, you get what you pay for. When you pay for a 5.0 you get super-pony car performance. Same for Camaro. If regular "pony car" performance is your desire, the current V-6 Mustang with the track pack exceeds the performance of maybe 75% of all "pony cars" ever built to date. And V-6 Mustangs aren't a lot of cash, if you option wisely. :)


It's not really a "super pony car" if all the competition has roughly the same stats. In my opinion the v6 was always the lower level, gt was the regular level, and the Shelby, boss, etc were the "super" ponies. The base gt is 30900. It wasn't too long ago that it was around 25-26k for the base and you could pick one up for around 22-23k on x plan. You can buy a lot of cars for 31k these days.

With that being said, its just a sign of the times. All the safety features and electronic options that people demand along with inflation have made the prices go up.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:43 AM

 
It's not really a "super pony car" if all the competition has roughly the same stats. In my opinion the v6 was always the lower level, gt was the regular level, and the Shelby, boss, etc were the "super" ponies. The base gt is 30900. It wasn't too long ago that it was around 25-26k for the base and you could pick one up for around 22-23k on x plan. You can buy a lot of cars for 31k these days. With that being said, its just a sign of the times. All the safety features and electronic options that people demand along with inflation have made the prices go up.
 
"All of the competition" these days amounts to 2 other cars though: the Camaro and the Challenger. To get the amount of power the Mustang offers these days in just about anything else you're going to have to look at far more expensive luxury cars.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:15 AM

 The base gt is 30900. It wasn't too long ago that it was around 25-26k for the base and you could pick one up for around 22-23k on x plan. 

 

 

Why would you buy a base GT? Its pretty obvious that the market wants better optioned out cars and aren't going to settle for stripper specials anymore. 


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:16 AM

Oh if want one bad enough, buy a used one...you'll save even more $$$ if 30K is too rich for your blood.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:52 AM

Oh if want one bad enough, buy a used one...you'll save even more $$$ if 30K is too rich for your blood.

 

I don't think it's a case of "too rich for your blood" in some cases at least. It's more like why pay $30,000+ for a vehicle that will be worth $15,000 in two years. Let the stupid sucker that paid $35K for the thing go underwater and then pick up two year old vehicle for half price while the dummy that bought new takes the big depreciation hit. New vehicles aren't investments, they are money pits for losers. And the more luxuurious the vehicle, the bigger the hit you take. No wonder so many are in such tough financial shape. Advertising/marketing is getting stupid people to buy what they don't need and probably can't afford.  And by stupid, I mean just financially stupid. Minimalism is not a character flaw, but being ostentatious is arguably a character flaw. So yeah, buying used shows some financial acumen especially if you can buy the new vehicle twenty times over without breaking a sweat.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:58 AM

New vehicles aren't investments, they are money pits for losers.


Yeah, that's not offensive or anything.  :chairshot:

 

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:45 PM

New vehicles aren't investments, they are money pits for losers.

 

I'm sure that those lucky people who never sold their COPO Chevies or their BOSS 429s would be sure to agree with you, lol. Just guessing, but original Hemi-Cuda owners probably smile a lot, too.

 

While most cars are not investments, they are not necessarily "money pits for losers", people have a whole range of reasons for buying new. For them, the added cost may be seen as the value of a new-car warranty, or the social value of the latest, brand-new and shiny, or the latest performance technology advantage. To you, they are "losers", to them, you are the loser in the ghetto-cruiser.

 

It's all about perspective. As you may be aware from the continued efforts of others here, yours tends to be rather myopic, kinda like a fun-house mirror. :)


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