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#2081 OFFLINE   tbone

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 02:19 PM

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#2082 OFFLINE   Bob Rosadini

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 10:14 PM

On my way out to the East Coast last week I saw a few truckloads of 650 or 750s that were painted UPS brown. I couldn't get close enough to verify whether they were gas or diesel's, but it looks like UPS is buying some.

There was a picture of a UPS box truck (like a 22 footer) on BigMack months ago.  I posted to see if anyone had a recollection or sighing to confirm "gas or diesel" but no answer.  good sign that more new ones sighted in transit- 

How about it-anyone at OAP with info?



#2083 OFFLINE   Bob Rosadini

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 10:21 PM

There was a picture of a UPS box truck (like a 22 footer) on BigMack months ago.  I posted to see if anyone had a recollection or sighing to confirm "gas or diesel" but no answer.  good sign that more new ones sighted in transit- 

How about it-anyone at OAP with info?

Just found it-pictured of what I believe is a 650 in Buster Brown colors posted "in service" Oct. 2016.



#2084 OFFLINE   Joe771476

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 05:05 PM

Latest HDT mag has Ford print ad showing a beverage tractor trailer combo. Also, apparently that Transport Topics info was for May because HDT has in April Class 6 Ford still at #1 with 1886, Freight at 1599 and Intern'l. at 1262.  Class 7 April Ford with 189, Hino with 97.


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#2085 OFFLINE   Bob Rosadini

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 07:37 AM

First shots of the new GM/International class 4/5

 

https://www.trucks.c...uty-work-truck/

 

Looks like a fiberglass tilt hood which if priced reasonably, should give Ford and Dodge a bit of concern-in particular with fleet customers who run high mileage.   Nothing like good access versus leaning over a fender.



#2086 OFFLINE   twintornados

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 07:56 AM

First shots of the new GM/International class 4/5

 

https://www.trucks.c...uty-work-truck/

 

Looks like a fiberglass tilt hood which if priced reasonably, should give Ford and Dodge a bit of concern-in particular with fleet customers who run high mileage.   Nothing like good access versus leaning over a fender.

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If GM/Navistar can build out class 4/5 using an existing GM cab with a tilt nose, so can Ford. I remember the GM Top Kick was a similar tilt nose setup using the cab of the full size van.

Ford should use either a Transit cab or, hell, even a Econoline cab with a tilt nose. Remember E-550?? Imagine that with a tilt nose....

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Edited by twintornados, 28 June 2017 - 07:59 AM.

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#2087 OFFLINE   hwyman3

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:43 AM

I've always liked the idea of using a tilt nose on these trucks, especially the way the 6.7 PowerStroke is shoehorned in the Super Duties.  Sure seems better than removing the cab!


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#2088 OFFLINE   Sevensecondsuv

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

What engines are they projecting for the GM/Navistar? If it's just the 6.6L Duramax they're basically just claiming their piece of the diesel class 4/5 "pie". Hopefully they're not planning on torturing buyers with the 6.0L gas V8. That engine is already not competitive in 2500/3500. Other than the flip hood, such a truck would be a far cry from the V10 Fords. It wouldn't even really hold a candle to Ram's 6.4 Hemi.

Now if they were to resurrect the 8100 vortec and give it the same cam/head upgrades that the 6.0L has benefitted from, they might really shake the market up pretty good. That'd be an honest 475 hp engine with a bottom end torque curve equal or better than the V10 Ford.

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#2089 OFFLINE   Bob Rosadini

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:19 AM

What engines are they projecting for the GM/Navistar? If it's just the 6.6L Duramax they're basically just claiming their piece of the diesel class 4/5 "pie". Hopefully they're not planning on torturing buyers with the 6.0L gas V8. That engine is already not competitive in 2500/3500. Other than the flip hood, such a truck would be a far cry from the V10 Fords. It wouldn't even really hold a candle to Ram's 6.4 Hemi.

I believe for sure the 6.6 Duramax but doesn't Isuzu have a decent 4 cylinder??  And they for sure will need a gas engine so does that mean the 6.0 is a given.??

 

I'm sure 7M3 will jump in here as he seems to have good intel on where these GM/"Binder" trucks are headed. 



#2090 OFFLINE   Bob Rosadini

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:31 AM

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If GM/Navistar can build out class 4/5 using an existing GM cab with a tilt nose, so can Ford. I remember the GM Top Kick was a similar tilt nose setup using the cab of the full size van.

Ford should use either a Transit cab or, hell, even a Econoline cab with a tilt nose. Remember E-550?? Imagine that with a tilt nose....

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TT-Back to the question-with 450-550 chassis production now done at OAP is not the case stronger for a new cab structure for 450-750-and then an 850 tandem once it gets a truck work truckncab with higher seating position

 

As for your comment on E-550, dealer friend of mine was pissed when they dropped that as he had made good progress converting class 5 customers to that truck.


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#2091 OFFLINE   bzcat

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

I believe for sure the 6.6 Duramax but doesn't Isuzu have a decent 4 cylinder??  And they for sure will need a gas engine so does that mean the 6.0 is a given.??

 

I'm sure 7M3 will jump in here as he seems to have good intel on where these GM/"Binder" trucks are headed. 

 

I doubt Isuzu will let their diesel go to a Navistar product. They are direct competitors.

 

Isuzu partners with GM. Navistar partners with GM. Isuzu and Navistar are not partners.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

Just saw those pictures myself the other day.  Don't have any facts, but I hear that the new GM/Navistar not only has a tip hood, it also has straight frame rails and an I beam front axle.  Looks like they are building a scaled down class 6 truck like the TopKick/Kodiak and TerraStar.  They did announce the diesel option would be the new Duramax 6.6L V-8 along with an Allison automatic standard transmission.  A new larger gasoline/CNG/LNG V-8 is rumored to be in the works. 



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:31 PM

 

I doubt Isuzu will let their diesel go to a Navistar product. They are direct competitors.

 

Isuzu partners with GM. Navistar partners with GM. Isuzu and Navistar are not partners.

 

From my understanding, Isuzu is out on the Duramax, and has been for a while.  They helped with the original design, but GM took over.

 

Looks like they are building a scaled down class 6 truck like the TopKick/Kodiak and TerraStar.   

 

We saw how well that worked with the last batch of GM 5500 trucks.  Too heavy not leaving enough payload.


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