roadhog Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 When you think our leadership cannot hit a new low they out do themselves. Anyone that has heard of this please let me know, our President Carlo Bishop who is a nice guy who I voted for appointed a Skilled Tradesman with 6 months seniority for an open Health and Safety position. The Chairman who I must say I did not vote for do to lack of experience at the time put up a Tradesman with 20 plus years seniority. The Region and the IUAW came in and picked the candidate with 6 months for the job. I looked on the senioirity sheet and the member they picked was over 3400 from the top. What makes this even worse is that as a Tradesman, the candidate they picked was previously in our plant before being hired as a General Foreman and Superintendent of a contracter that rebuilt the Body Shop while myself and alot of other Trades were sitting at home on our days off. We get tagged in Chicago for being corrupt and shady and this type of appointment plays into this perception. Oh ya, the Chairman put out a letter saying that the Constitution states you need 1 year to be appointed an International Rep but I have not received a copy of the Constitution so I have not confirmed that fact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaw12 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 What was most outragous was President Carlo Bishop told the membership that I quote " the membership is not the highest authority and I make the decision". I remember the former Chairman saying this 5 months before the last election and he not only lost but no longer works here. When the President thinks he is above the membership it is time to give him a position back on the line! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlgreen63 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Article 10 section 2. it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Article 10 section 2. it's true. Badges and Insignia? wtf are you talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadhog Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Last night a few of us were working on a breakdown at the drag line and a gentleman that I had never seen before out side of a management outfit approached us and it was the new Health and Safety Representative appinted by Carlo Bishop our President. He ask us how to get to general stores because he had to pick up some vest and safety glasses. Not knowing where stores is and you are the Health and Safety rep was the question that a couple of the Trades asked him? They asked what his seniority was and he said 7 months! We had a giant pile of scrap from our job and he then went on to asked who had the scrap contract for the plant because his brother owned the biggest scrap yard on the south side. He told us that there family was Unioni friendly and that Carlo Bishop Sr. was doing some consulting work for his brother. As a group we were stunned that a Health and Safety was appointed with 7 months and did not know where general stores was, but the fact that Bishop Sr. was a consulltant for his brother explained it all as to how he recieved his job! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmichiganman Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 If thats true, thats terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 They love to cheapen the contribution of the trades!So this tradesperson,politician with 6 months worth of 'skin in the game'at Ford will be employed for the next 40 years as a union offical? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) <p> They love to cheapen the contribution of the trades!So this tradesperson,politician with 6 months worth of 'skin in the game'at Ford will be employed for the next 40 years as a union offical? Yes, this person will have his lifetime appointment. Hired off the street 7 months ago. Worked prior in a management position (for his brother) before he it the lottery..... Not one sister or brother currently a long term dues paying member could fill the Presidents list of qualified members for this appointment. What`s next? Well.... It dosen`t seem like its been three years..?? Its not but, you can tell its getting close!!! you can almost smell the hot dogs and donuts... ahhh yes... IT`S TIME!!! Roll out the dirty politics... set the stage with all the Half Truths and THROW the GLITTERY PROMISES into the AIR!!!!! Strike Up the Band, get the Teams Stories Straight and Pass Out the Favors... !!!!!!! THE GRAND ELECTION TOUR HAS BEGUN !!!!!!!! Decker Edited December 30, 2012 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 what is up with this BON format? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaw12 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I knew that the new Health and Safety rep for Chicago had an incident in the past when he was a General Foreman, Superintendent for Aristeo doing outsource work of our Trades in the body shop. It was confirmed that he had been kicked out of the plant for over 1 year due to a Health and Safety violations by Mike Marzillo our Skilled Trades rep. who was in charge of Labor Clearances at the time. How could the local President sign off on this on the safety violation and Constitutional issue listed above? This appointment gets more suspicious by the day and week and who knows what the next shoe to drop is? This would be equal to putting a bank robber in charge of the safe after they are out of prison. Let's add this up, Supervisor in charge of outsourcing skilled trades work + safety violation which had him banned from plant by safety engineer for over 1 year + 6 months seniority which is half of the UAW Constitutional minumum = UAW Health and Safety International Representative! Does not add up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) If you believe that the appointment violates the UAW Constitution, You can take it to your Servicing Rep at your regional, and if you are correct, this person could be removed by the IUAW. In other words...Go over the Chairmans head...Don't allow it to remain unchallanged if you believe that it was against the rules. Edited January 5, 2013 by trailfndr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) If you believe that the appointment violates the UAW Constitution, You can take it to your Servicing Rep at your regional, and if you are correct, this person could be removed by the IUAW. In other words...Go over the Chairmans head...Don't allow it to remain unchallanged if you believe that it was against the rules. You, do realize that an appointment has to have the Regional approval, blessing and/or okeedoekee before it is concidered "approved"..... right? What is going on in our labor organization is more or less at the point where the fat lady has begun to sing. In other words it is over. The labor movement in general could not hold their heads up much, if at all, when it comes to achievements. Hold on to your pants haters.... yeah yeah... I remember "I`m thankful to have a J-O-B". Is it just me or has the stairway that we were on turned into a slide? We started heading to the bottom back a few years ago, with all the half truths about helping the company or helping the company stay a float. "J-O-B security" remember? Then the union agreeing to use (as long as the due`s were collected from day one) of throw away employee`s "TPT`s" or "STPT`s" or "LTS`s" now "Entry Level" all to help save our J-O-B`s... Then there was the "open this" and/or "open that" that gave us all the warm and fuzzies about what??? Yep, we all gave "this and/or that up" to save our "J-O-B`s". As far as the warm and fuzzies I remember those feelings about the last contract. Remember all the smiles and hand shaking at the local halls when the contract was presented as the BEST thing for the membership? We would or did I hear SHOULD be thankful you have a J-O-B.... Now really, I AM THANKFUL I HAVE MY 28 BUCKS SECURE FOR A FEW MORE YEARS....unless the open this or that thingy starts up again....or when talks start up for the next "suprise" we will call our contract. Labor Movement? People "united" to speak for, negotiate for and fight for every single voice in the membership, as a UNION....right? This is where the warm and fuzzies slip right off the cliff... How can a "UNION" allow so many different ways to treat identical issues at different plants and/or units so F`en differently? We have one plant allowing it this way and another unit allowing it that way. Then we have interpretations as diverse as the fish in the F`en ocean.... and all reading the same... contract? "Just one example", start one group of Trades members at one plant at 7PM and the very same type of Trades members at another plant at "Oh Lets Say" 6:30PM? UNITY IN THE RANKS??? Hell, here at CAP we can`t get the same interpretation between departments on most occasions, much less figure out all the exceptions to the contract that just keep popping up. UNIONIZED? Really? So many members have and are experiencing really different income levels from what we had in the recent past. The loss of different overtime calculations, the loss of weekend days as premium days of the week and the loss of voluntary time worked. All in the name of saving our jobs? What ever happened to the 8 hour day? When did the Union realize (except) that a 10.7 hour day was "normal"? How did a 12 hour day become good for a members family? As for the entry level members, can any of us that are not entry level, even understand what 14 or 15 dollars an hour is like? (doing the same operations that other members get 28 dollars an hour for) Not to mention, all the other different levels of benefits these entry level members have that are totally different from non entry level members. I will leave out the facts that we at CAP have even a lower class than the entry level, LTS members. Unity? Unionized? Unity? Equality in the Rank and File? The Auto Industry (Ford) has and will continue to stay focused on the 3 to 5 years in the future, technique of business and this was proven once again with this last contract. Is there any hope that the IUAW will ever stop being razzle dazzled by the smoke and mirrors of some of the best front men the Auto Industry have? Could any of us even hope for the IUAW sitting down at the table prepared to negotiate our lives, with the hired guns (Research Experts, CPA`s, Business Analyst`s, Corporate Group Specialists) that the Auto Industry does? Looking forward to the "hand shake and verbal agreements" in our near future. :reading: Decker 1 of the 1788 Edited January 6, 2013 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Now that MI has become a RTW state shit will really hit the fan as far as positions in the union go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadhog Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 To trailfndr, the President is the one who put this brother into the Health and Safety job with the approval of the Regional Director and the Chairman put an appeal in to Bob King the same day he got the appointment letter. I have been in Chicago a long time and seen alot of crazy things but the letters the Chairman has put out over the last couple of weeks are some of the most direct shots at a Local President and Region that I can remember. I have taken issue with our Chairman on multiple issues but this is as cut and dry as it gets. (1 year seniority) Our Regional Rep. had to have gotten some incredibly bad advice and our Regional Servicing Rep was our former Chairman, you would think he would have saved his boss the embarrassment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Now that MI has become a RTW state shit will really hit the fan as far as positions in the union go. It sure will. I know a lot of people that say they are going to opt out of paying dues because of the poor representation at the Rouge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 To trailfndr, the President is the one who put this brother into the Health and Safety job with the approval of the Regional Director and the Chairman put an appeal in to Bob King the same day he got the appointment letter. I have been in Chicago a long time and seen alot of crazy things but the letters the Chairman has put out over the last couple of weeks are some of the most direct shots at a Local President and Region that I can remember. I have taken issue with our Chairman on multiple issues but this is as cut and dry as it gets. (1 year seniority) Our Regional Rep. had to have gotten some incredibly bad advice and our Regional Servicing Rep was our former Chairman, you would think he would have saved his boss the embarrassment. If the appointment violates the Constitution then someone has to push the issue and force it before the IEB. Perhaps they also need to push it to the NLRB also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 It sure will. I know a lot of people that say they are going to opt out of paying dues because of the poor representation at the Rouge. Those same people are going to bitch like hell when a contract they can't vote for gets voted in and they are stuck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Those same people are going to bitch like hell when a contract they can't vote for gets voted in and they are stuck with it. And they best be real careful...They are still investigating as to what happens to your retiree health care if you opt out of the union...Ford is NOT going to give it to you. And it may be, that if you opt out of paying dues...the UAW may not either. 1st tier employees had best do alot of research before making that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 We may all be on the Government Option come next contract! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadhog Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 I finally got a return call from Jimmy Settles AA on how this was approved. I was told that it was an oversight on not enforcing Article 14 Section 3 of the Constitution. He also stated, and I quote that he was unaware of the section because he is not an expert on the Constitution and it was up to Bob King to correct the oversight. Oversight WTF. I asked him how do we expect the company to follow the contract in regards to seniority when our Local President ignores it. You do not need to be an expert, you just need to be able to count. 6 months is less than 12 months. I was also given the answer to my other question also, what was the previous lowerst seniority to receive a National Appointment. The answer given was 3 years. So since 1941 this is the first time ever that the Constitution has been ignored in regards to Article 14 Section 3. Sorry not ignored, an oversight! But the real question to be answered by our President Carlo Bishop is why wourld he put forward a member with 6 months for the best job in the plant. Many of us have been calling him but he will not return our calls and I have not seen him in the plant for months and at the last Union meeting he blamed all this on the Region and IUAW even though Carlo Bishop put the members forward for them to pick. May (election time) is coming soon! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I finally got a return call from Jimmy Settles AA on how this was approved. I was told that it was an oversight on not enforcing Article 14 Section 3 of the Constitution. He also stated, and I quote that he was unaware of the section because he is not an expert on the Constitution and it was up to Bob King to correct the oversight. Oversight WTF. I asked him how do we expect the company to follow the contract in regards to seniority when our Local President ignores it. You do not need to be an expert, you just need to be able to count. 6 months is less than 12 months. I was also given the answer to my other question also, what was the previous lowerst seniority to receive a National Appointment. The answer given was 3 years. So since 1941 this is the first time ever that the Constitution has been ignored in regards to Article 14 Section 3. Sorry not ignored, an oversight! But the real question to be answered by our President Carlo Bishop is why wourld he put forward a member with 6 months for the best job in the plant. Many of us have been calling him but he will not return our calls and I have not seen him in the plant for months and at the last Union meeting he blamed all this on the Region and IUAW even though Carlo Bishop put the members forward for them to pick. May (election time) is coming soon! Perhaps, the members need to contact the NLRB and file a complaint. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadhog Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 At our Union meeting yesterday the President Carlo Bishop and Financial Secratary Scott Houldieson are angry that our Chairman has not only taken on the IUAW, Region but exposed them breaking the Constitution in regards to placing a member with 6 months in Health and Safety. Scott is the editor of our newspaper and has always claimed to be against the lack of transparancy in the IUAW. Their solution was that they called the local Union printer and threatened not to pay for anymore letters sent by the Chairman unless they can censor the information. As a tradesman and backer of Scott this is surprising behavior, many of us believed he was for seniority and doing what was right even if the powers that be did not like it. This proved that we were wrong and the Bishop family has another pawn! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The family has had the pawn in the Secretary/Treasurers office from day one. He can`t find his place. Activist or Conformist..... ??? He started out holding the S.O.S. flag high while riding in the front seat of the carravan bus. He voiced his views when he entered the last consitutional convention. He went on to tell the then V.P. (soon to be President) how "we" at the 551 believed that Bob had lost touch with the membership... helped the company more than the membership... an on and on. I wonder, what he was thinking, after calling out the then V.P. and all but telling the soon to be President "we" at the 551 wasn`t going along with the soon to be President on any of the IUAW agenda`s..... Then with all his talk of activism, it must have been a real eye opener for our Sec./Treas. activist.... to turn around and realize he had little or no support from his activist crowd that but him up to all the name calling and reputation slaming of the soon to be President. After that great showing of union activism at the convention, our activist turned the volumn down. Then the conformist started coming out. Our activist, went from looking for facts to a complete lack of the use of do process. Following instructions or just conforming to what he was told to do our activist proceed to move further and futher to the dark side. I can hear it now.... dont look into that constitution.... throw those evil by-laws away..... you will be the CHAIR of the By-Laws committee.... YOU... OH... CONFORMIST.... will change and put into place the LAW of the land.... A KING (not Bob) was born. Needless to say, the activist was serr cum sized into a conformist...... the progression has been colorfull, chanting at protest movements to lying twice at just the last general membership when it was pointed out that he did not follow the do process completely and clearly spelled out in the constitution. Being color blind, I have never truely seen "red". But, the shade of the King Conformist`s face was very much "red" to an old color blind long hair. When Carlo started to read those EVIL By-Laws that backed up the point of order, our King Conformist looked as if someone had just started talking about the state of Indiana being Klanville......again. Members wake up. You have been half truthed to death and now since thats getting really old and not to successful....BAM!!!! the bald face lies are now being thrown out right in front of you at our general membership meetings...BAM!!!! The family is reaching deep into their bag of tricks. Get ready, maybe if we click our heels together and chant "there`s no place like the 551" everything will be just like being over the rain bow???? Decker 1of the1788 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadhog Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 Ran into one our Executive Board members who is also a Pipefitter and ask him where he stood on the situation of the breaking of the Consitution and his answer was how Grant our Chairman is not doing a good job. I told Trevor that was not what I was asking him and he had endorsed and campaigned for Grant 2 years ago. After he calmed down he told me that it was up to the President of the IUAW and he was going to stay out of it. Trevor is a true profile of courage, along with having a bad memory of telling me how Grant was the best person for the Chairman job 2 years ago! WTF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Ran into one our Executive Board members who is also a Pipefitter and ask him where he stood on the situation of the breaking of the Consitution and his answer was how Grant our Chairman is not doing a good job. I told Trevor that was not what I was asking him and he had endorsed and campaigned for Grant 2 years ago. After he calmed down he told me that it was up to the President of the IUAW and he was going to stay out of it. Trevor is a true profile of courage, along with having a bad memory of telling me how Grant was the best person for the Chairman job 2 years ago! WTF. You do realize, that the Tradesman you refer to and the rest that signed the letters to the membership, (Carlo,Dawn,Scot and Carlos) stating more or less the world would come to an end if "their" chairperson wasn`t elected, had something else in mind for the membership? Right? Once again if the membership is having a hard time seeing the real motive behind electing our current chairman then get ready because the membership will be fooled again. Whats that old saying about being fooled twice...... Now I`m not saying our present chairman was completely aware of what was going on, and really I too was in his place many years ago. It`s human nature to want to feel apart of a group and most everyone will fall into this willingness or need to be apart of the group. The membership may, some day reach the point of awareness that I, some past and current rep`s and the current chairman have reached. But, until that point of awareness is reached the group (membership) will stand to be fooled again. Our current chairman, has become aware of the true motives behind his support by the political group leaders. It has been said, "why did it take him so long to become aware?" when I`m asked that question I will state, the feeling of being apart of the "team" can cloud anyones vision. I do believe that early on his vision was starting to clear. After being told the "political group leaders" truth about this member and that member, he has stated that things just didn`t add up as the political group leaders stated it would. Then there was the "Hit List".... and the "Move List"..... Oh, and the fact that some long hair was going to attack him every step of the way and how he was so tricky that he couldn`t be trusted, ever!!!! (funny, never happened) Dam, what is that old saying about being a fool twice???? As for the question "WTF".... you have to realize that, what was going on when you were being told that our current chairman was our savior, was nothing more than a front. Really, the pipefitter you were talking with never gave off any signs that there was something in this push to elect our current chairman other than the pipefitter`s caring and concerned feelings for this membership? If you and other members didn`t pick up on this underlying reason for the gigantic push to elect certian people to certain postions, then you may not fully understand the depth of control which you were and are under by the polictical group leaders. I for one, many years ago was given that feeling of being apart of the political group. Yep, I did what I was told to do. Thought I was helping the membership. Then I started to ask why....? After a short period of questioning the facts and/or reasons the leaders of the political group(team) were using to get things done, I realized the true reason for the "political group leaders" doing as they were doing. Insead of going into great detail of what I became aware of, I just stopped being apart of the political group. (team) Over the years I have watched other members of the political group become aware of the true reason as I did and seen them withdraw from the political group (team) also. Those that walked away, like me have had the pleasure of being the subject of rumors and yes the name calling (kinda childish for leaders) at times. (trouble makers, anti union, etc) One thing that is completely true, the political group leaders can`t have control of the membership if they (the team) are questioned about their tactic`s or methods that go against the constitution or our by-laws. If you the membership think this type of control dosen`t exist.... then you are apart of the political group and/or team supporter. If you the membership have reached a point where you question the level of achievements you have seen in the last few years then.... you are the trouble makers and dare I say it.... you to may be anti union. People, did you believe that little or no achievements by most candidates running for re election in the last election was a good track record? Electing someone for any position that had no prior experience in the position, was a good thing? What have we seen for a track record, that will help make the decisions we will have to make in the near future? Try to remember how the "political group leaders" did your thinking for you, remember their signed (Carlo, Dawn, Scot and Carlos) letter telling you not to think, just vote the way your told. How`s it worked out for you the political group members? (membership)? Oh, by the way I feel honored to have made the "political group leaders" hit list. It seems this list is growing..... are you a member of this list? or are you a good political group/team member that will do as your told? Decker 1 of the 1788 Edited February 5, 2013 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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