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#21 OFFLINE   aneekr

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:53 PM

The interior of the GM's are so outclassed by even the Ram, it's just pathetic, and it doesn't seem to be changing for '14 based on spy shots!


Do GM pickup truck interiors have a reputation for poor durability or wear & tear? The F-150 XL work trucks in my employer's fleet have held up well after two years of rotations at plant sites. I don't have any personal experience with GM trucks, but since they are the company's best selling products, it seems GM should know how to design an interior that can handle the rigors of typical pickup truck duty.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:03 PM

Do GM pickup truck interiors have a reputation for poor durability or wear & tear? The F-150 XL work trucks in my employer's fleet have held up well after two years of rotations at plant sites. I don't have any personal experience with GM trucks, but since they are the company's best selling products, it seems GM should know how to design an interior that can handle the rigors of typical pickup truck duty.


Umm, it's not just about "rigors of typical pickup truck duty" any more, because the rules of typical pickup truck duty have changed drastically. More and more trucks are higher-end trucks that perform double-duty of work and play. Just being durable and rugged don't cut it any more. Sure, GM's may be durable, but why buy a truck with an interior that looks 10-15 years old when you can have something attractive, yet still durable and easy to use. Of course, GM's truck interiors have always been horrible...at least as long as I can remember.

Why can't you have durable, rugged, and attractive with high-quality materials? Ask GM, because Ford already knows you can.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:25 PM

Actually, according to many who use their GM trucks for work............................. no, the interiors do not hold up well.

That is one of their many complaints with this generation of truck.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:36 PM

Actually, according to many who use their GM trucks for work............................. no, the interiors do not hold up well.

That is one of their many complaints with this generation of truck.


Along with the thin sheetmetal, outdated engines and transmissions, styling...

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:12 PM

Ford fans can take heart that Ford remains within 30,000 sales/mth of GM,
by maintaining discipline on incentives and increasing ATPs with new models
and limiting sales to fleets. Well done Ford.

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Edited by jpd80, 01 August 2012 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:18 PM

Just looked on Cars.com and inventory for 2012 Fusion is 19,500 and 1971 Hybrids
2013 inventory is 230...(huh?)

Edited by jpd80, 01 August 2012 - 03:21 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:17 PM

Ford fans can take heart that Ford remains within 30,000 sales/mth of GM,
by maintaining discipline on incentives and increasing ATPs with new models
and limiting sales to fleets. Well done Ford.

Ford (Combined) 173,966
GM (Combined) 201,237


Caprice PPV is finally getting a move on with 500 sales...


You could also look at it with alarm that Toyota is effectively outselling Ford by a significant margin 5 months in a row now.

Ford (Combined) 173,966
Toyota (Combined) 164,898 + Subaru 25,183 = 190,081
GM (Combined) 201,237

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:33 PM

Subie is still owned by Fuji Heavy, they're merely partners with Toyota.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:21 PM

You could also look at it with alarm that Toyota is effectively outselling Ford by a significant margin 5 months in a row now.

Ford (Combined) 173,966
Toyota (Combined) 164,898 + Subaru 25,183 = 190,081
GM (Combined) 201,237


No offense........................... but were you in a coma last year?? There is a very easy reason why Toyota/Honda sales are up so much, and GM and Ford are not. It is the tsunami. Last year was an anomaly for many months, and is not representative of the actual volumes for Ford and GM cars. Toyota always ran close to Ford...................... heck, there was a time when they outsold them.

So, them running close is NO SURPRISE at all. That some news agencies want to use these "sudden" percentage increases as some epitome, is assinine.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:49 PM

Subie is still owned by Fuji Heavy, they're merely partners with Toyota.


Toyota owns 20% and has effective management control.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

No offense........................... but were you in a coma last year?? There is a very easy reason why Toyota/Honda sales are up so much, and GM and Ford are not. It is the tsunami. Last year was an anomaly for many months, and is not representative of the actual volumes for Ford and GM cars. Toyota always ran close to Ford...................... heck, there was a time when they outsold them.

So, them running close is NO SURPRISE at all. That some news agencies want to use these "sudden" percentage increases as some epitome, is assinine.


Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem? I was just pointing out the Ford falling 30k unit behind GM is not something to brag about when Toyota is even closer to GM.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:49 PM

You could also look at it with alarm that Toyota is effectively outselling Ford by a significant margin 5 months in a row now.

I'd sooner Ford be a solidly profitable 2nd or 3rd than be a bankrupt winner..

Edited by jpd80, 02 August 2012 - 09:52 PM.


#33 OFFLINE   Noah Harbinger

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 12:58 AM

Toyota owns 20% and has effective management control.


The stake is 16.5%. (Perhaps someone better versed with japanese corporate law could shed some light on why 33% seems to be the magic number with regards to "effective management control"?)

Regardless, you're the only person I've ever seen combine Toyota and Subaru as if it was a wholly-owned subsidiary - and you happen to do so in a way to support a point of view that only you have. Which makes me suspect about the degree to which that stake is considered "controlling".
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 01:11 AM

Ford held 33.4% of Mazda, which I believe was considered 'controlling' because Ford could effectively veto any board actions it disagreed with. When paired with the 'silent partner' status of the other leading shareholder (the Sumitomo Bank), it meant Ford basically ran Mazda.A

Also, I have no idea if 33.4% is unique to Mazda, or a general feature of stock companies in Japan. Renault holds 44.3% of Nissan, but that's basically enough to ensure de facto control of the company, even if the board's actions are decided on a simple majority.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 01:29 AM

Ford held 33.4% of Mazda, which I believe was considered 'controlling' because Ford could effectively veto any board actions it disagreed with. When paired with the 'silent partner' status of the other leading shareholder (the Sumitomo Bank), it meant Ford basically ran Mazda.A

Also, I have no idea if 33.4% is unique to Mazda, or a general feature of stock companies in Japan. Renault holds 44.3% of Nissan, but that's basically enough to ensure de facto control of the company, even if the board's actions are decided on a simple majority.

It's part of Japanese business law..








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